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Date: 06 Feb 1996 05:07:03
Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"
From: cperry@emerald.tufts.edu
Subject: Re: (Fwd) NATO Corrects Land Mine Death
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From: Carlos Perry
Subject: Re: (Fwd) NATO Corrects Land Mine Death
Actually, I think the media from the beginning had only speculated that
it was a mine. No IFOR or NATO authorities had confirmed the cause of
death until yesterday...
Carlos
On 5 Feb 1996, Ivo Skoric wrote:
> From: "Ivo Skoric"
>
> It seems Dugan did not step on the mine but tried unsusccesfully to
> defuse an inexploded grenade (or shell or bomb?). Well, poor guy
> anyway died. Why didn't they tell the truth immediately? That's
> puzzling.
>
> ivo
>
>
> ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> Subject: NATO Corrects Land Mine Death
> Organization: Copyright 1996 by The Associated Press
> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 6:20:20 PST
> Priority: important
>
>
> SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (AP) -- The first American
> peacekeeper to die in Bosnia was killed when ammunition exploded in
> his hands, and not by a land mine as originally reported, a NATO
> spokesman said Monday.
> The alliance-led peacekeeping force had announced that Sgt. 1st
> Class Donald A. Dugan died Saturday after a land mine blew up at a
> checkpoint near the northern town of Gradacac, 25 miles north of
> Tuzla, where U.S. soldiers in Bosnia are based.
> But Monday, a NATO spokesman, speaking on condition of
> anonymity, said the 38-year-old Dugan of Belle Center, Ohio, died
> after he picked up a piece of unexploded ammunition from the side
> of the road and it exploded in his hands.
> There was no immediate explanation why NATO changed its account.
> Dugan's body was flown to Germany on Sunday, and Monday, the
> U.S. Army released autopsy results that said he died of ``extensive
> head injuries.''
> The Army gave no information on what caused the head injuries.
> The report was limited to the cause of death and provided no
> information on other injuries, said Sgt. Michael Ertel, a spokesman
> at the U.S. Army-run hospital at Landstuhl south of Kaiserslautern.
> Ertel said one word, ``explosion,'' was typed at the bottom of
> the report, but there was no indication what type of device
> exploded.
> Dugan's family was to view the body Monday at the hospital in
> Kaiserslautern, and then a decision would be made on when the
> remains would be returned to the United States.
> In Bosnia's east, meanwhile, a U.N. investigator hoped the
> sodden earth under an oak tree would yield clues about the fate of
> 7,000 missing Muslims.
> On Sunday, Elizabeth Rehn, the U.N. Human Rights Commission's
> special investigator for former Yugoslavia, surveyed decomposing
> bodies on a wooded area atop a steep hill near the village of
> Kravica.
> The area is one site of alleged mass killings a few miles from
> Srebrenica, a Muslim town where thousands of men vanished after the
> Serbs overran it in July.
> Four corpses were found under the tree. One skeleton wore a
> green military uniform and leather boots, while three nearby
> corpses had on blue jeans and other civilian garb. Bones protruded
> from the clothing and it appeared animals might have eaten the
> flesh.
> Between them lay a smashed plastic alarm clock, a nylon sports
> bag, a soggy notebook and a handful of knives and forks.
> ``Surely, these are soldiers. It's clear from their
> identification papers,'' Rehn said.
> Rehn said Bosnian Serb officials told her Sunday ``that there
> are missing people and that they certainly are dead.'' But she said
> it would be ``naive'' to accept the Serb explanation that the dead
> were Muslim fighters who killed each other in a dispute over
> whether to surrender during their retreat from Srebrenica.
> ``The fact is that we have a tragedy all over this hill,'' said
> Rehn, a former Finnish defense minister.
> Rehn urged Serb authorities to allow war crimes investigators to
> open suspected mass graves around Srebrenica so the fate of the
> thousands of missing Muslims can be cleared up.
> She also fulfilled a promise she made to women refugees from
> Srebrenica in Sarajevo who believe the Bosnian Serbs are holding
> their family members in secret forced labor camps.
> Accompanied by Srebrenica Mayor Milenko Canic, Rehn viewed the
> locked basements of a supermarket and elementary school, but said
> she found no evidence they were used as prisons.
> --
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>
>
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Date: 05 Feb 1996 22:26:48
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From: Ivo Skoric
Subject: (Fwd) NATO Corrects Land Mine Death
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From: "Ivo Skoric"
It seems Dugan did not step on the mine but tried unsusccesfully to
defuse an inexploded grenade (or shell or bomb?). Well, poor guy
anyway died. Why didn't they tell the truth immediately? That's
puzzling.
ivo
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Subject: NATO Corrects Land Mine Death
Organization: Copyright 1996 by The Associated Press
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 6:20:20 PST
Priority: important
SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina (AP) -- The first American
peacekeeper to die in Bosnia was killed when ammunition exploded in
his hands, and not by a land mine as originally reported, a NATO
spokesman said Monday.
The alliance-led peacekeeping force had announced that Sgt. 1st
Class Donald A. Dugan died Saturday after a land mine blew up at a
checkpoint near the northern town of Gradacac, 25 miles north of
Tuzla, where U.S. soldiers in Bosnia are based.
But Monday, a NATO spokesman, speaking on condition of
anonymity, said the 38-year-old Dugan of Belle Center, Ohio, died
after he picked up a piece of unexploded ammunition from the side
of the road and it exploded in his hands.
There was no immediate explanation why NATO changed its account.
Dugan's body was flown to Germany on Sunday, and Monday, the
U.S. Army released autopsy results that said he died of ``extensive
head injuries.''
The Army gave no information on what caused the head injuries.
The report was limited to the cause of death and provided no
information on other injuries, said Sgt. Michael Ertel, a spokesman
at the U.S. Army-run hospital at Landstuhl south of Kaiserslautern.
Ertel said one word, ``explosion,'' was typed at the bottom of
the report, but there was no indication what type of device
exploded.
Dugan's family was to view the body Monday at the hospital in
Kaiserslautern, and then a decision would be made on when the
remains would be returned to the United States.
In Bosnia's east, meanwhile, a U.N. investigator hoped the
sodden earth under an oak tree would yield clues about the fate of
7,000 missing Muslims.
On Sunday, Elizabeth Rehn, the U.N. Human Rights Commission's
special investigator for former Yugoslavia, surveyed decomposing
bodies on a wooded area atop a steep hill near the village of
Kravica.
The area is one site of alleged mass killings a few miles from
Srebrenica, a Muslim town where thousands of men vanished after the
Serbs overran it in July.
Four corpses were found under the tree. One skeleton wore a
green military uniform and leather boots, while three nearby
corpses had on blue jeans and other civilian garb. Bones protruded
from the clothing and it appeared animals might have eaten the
flesh.
Between them lay a smashed plastic alarm clock, a nylon sports
bag, a soggy notebook and a handful of knives and forks.
``Surely, these are soldiers. It's clear from their
identification papers,'' Rehn said.
Rehn said Bosnian Serb officials told her Sunday ``that there
are missing people and that they certainly are dead.'' But she said
it would be ``naive'' to accept the Serb explanation that the dead
were Muslim fighters who killed each other in a dispute over
whether to surrender during their retreat from Srebrenica.
``The fact is that we have a tragedy all over this hill,'' said
Rehn, a former Finnish defense minister.
Rehn urged Serb authorities to allow war crimes investigators to
open suspected mass graves around Srebrenica so the fate of the
thousands of missing Muslims can be cleared up.
She also fulfilled a promise she made to women refugees from
Srebrenica in Sarajevo who believe the Bosnian Serbs are holding
their family members in secret forced labor camps.
Accompanied by Srebrenica Mayor Milenko Canic, Rehn viewed the
locked basements of a supermarket and elementary school, but said
she found no evidence they were used as prisons.
--
This is the NEW RELEASE of the ClariNet e.News! If you notice any
problems with the new edition, please mail us at editor@clari.net and
let us know. Thanks! More information can be found on our web site at
http://www.clari.net/ or in clari.net.announce.
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Date: 05 Feb 1996 22:22:32
Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"
From: Ivo Skoric
Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Active resistance to occupying troop
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Date: 05 Feb 1996 09:09:14
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From: marko@hilbert.cdsp.neu.edu
Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Active resistance to occupying troop
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Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Active resistance to occupying troop
>
> From: "Ivo Skoric"
> Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Active resistance to occupy
>
> Hmmm, those "weapons" are not only readily available in listed
> countries. Yugoslav Army has this tools. Before the war they were
> produced in Slovenia (Iskra, Kranj) for Yugoslav Army, and they are
> probably still around in Bosnia.
>
> But, come on, can you shoot somebody right in the eye from a 10 k
> distance? Even with a sniper? Only maybe if it stares at you. I don't
> see laser rangefinders as being a big problem over there. And there
> is certainly not as many of them laying around as there are
> landmines.
>
> ivo
>
These weapons are apparently being developed by the U.S.A. and some
Western European countries. I've seen news reports a few months
ago about the Scandinavian countries initiative to ban the development
of laser based blinding weapons which was rejected by the U.S. based
on the fact that they still haven't fully developed these weapons, so
there's no point in banning them. Of course, once the weapons are
fully developed the US military will desist from using them.;-)
>>This is highly amusing - since Iskra's laser rangefinders are based
upon the Swedish - hence, Scandinavian - model. Scandinavians
obviously fully developed their stuff earliest, so they want to ban
further development to keep them number one in the world market for
such equipment. Perfectly rational.
How do you blind someone from a 10 k distance? By using a diverging
high power laser beam. The beam scans an area for which it is believed
to have an enemy observation post. If the enemy soldiers are using any type
of optical equipment (such as binoculars for example) the laser beam will
be focused on their retina and is powerful enough to burn it or temporarily
damage it. Hence - temporary or permanent blindness.
Is this likely to be used in Bosnia? Probably not. This is an ideal weapon
against snipers and it would have been used by now if it were available,
either to the warring sides of IFOR troops.
>>I wonder why Bosnian troops didn't use this against snipers in
Sarajevo. Yet, they did not inherit high-tech Yugoslav Army weaponry.
Serbs did.
marko