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Peter Siebelt in Croatie.

Dit interview met Peter Siebelt (met foto) verscheen op 17 mei in
Vjesnik, een Croatische krant, voorheen soort regeringskrant. Siebelt
meldde zichzelf bij de krant met de mededeling dat hij zich wilde
laten interviewen. Soort gratis reclame voor zijn activiteiten? De
grote vraag is natuurlijk wat Siebelt in Croatie doet, wie hij daar
kent, wat hij denkt daar te gaan doen. Heeft hij dingen te bieden die
de Croaten zelf niet net zo goed of beter kunnen? Is er toch een
huurlingenconnectie? Het is voor zover wij weten de eerste keer dat
Siebelt weer naar buiten treedt sinds de oudpapier-affaire. Hij
schrijft de laatste tijd ook regelmatig ingezonden brieven naar de
Telegraaf met grofweg als thema de subsidiering van het linkse
complot.

Heeft iemand ideeen over verder onderzoek?

(volledige tekst is digitaal in het Croatisch beschikbaar, evenals een
samenvatting van de rol van Siebelt en Marcel in de oud papier affaire
in het Engels)

(ongecorrigeerde snelle vertaling door iemand van Press Now)

Peter Siebelt (50), has no known occupation.
In his office in his house near a lake south of Amsterdam
surrounded by high walls with sharp points en watchdogs to keep
uninvited guests away, Siebelt keeps the most advanced
computersystems. He makes phonecalls all around the world, but
nobody calls him. He hands out his number to a very select part
of his clients, and asks them to use it only in the most urgent
situation.
Such a life might be a logical consequence of his previous
activities. He used to have a private securitycompany to protect
big companies and rich people in one of het most dangerous parts
of Amsterdam, de Bijlmermeer. He protected rich people, their
property against organized crime, mafiosi, kidnappers and
terrorists. Many of them are behind bars, but many more are still
free, and looking for revenge.

Vj: You came to the paper and offered an interview. Why?
PS: I have been in Croatie many times, I have a deep respect for
the struggle for independence of your country, and the suffering
during the war. I am thinking about importing your very good
wines and I plan to build ships and yachts for Croatia. But on
this occasion I would like to worn your public about rather
destructive activities of some NGOs - something I know a lot
about, if not too much.

Vj - Why would someone who had a security company be concerned
with NGOs?

PS - Just because of my experience - I came to the conclusion
that some NGOs are conected with different terrorist
organizations. I am a war child, my father was an American
officer who libereted Europe including the Netherlands... In the
mid sixties there was a huge wave of anti-American demonstrations all
around Europe. Americans were blamed for just about everything -
Vietnam, Korea, imperialism in Africa, nuclear bombs & power stations.
I asked myself: why would all this people demonstrate against the
country which liberated them? Also, I noticed that the leaders of
these protests were always the same people. Much later I will find
them again on prominent posts in different NGOs... What would it mean
to you if I tell you that it is always the same persons from Croatia
who are active in 'sisterly' organizations such as Balkan War Report,
Aspen Institute, Helsinki Assambly, Antiwar Campain, Press Now, Pax
Christi? And also, they use every oportunity to attack your
government.

Vj - It would mean a lot if you could show us some proofs and
give us good arguments in support to your claims.

PS - I won't mention any names because it would result in their
orcestrated attack on you... but I will give you one example. One
woman, a journalist for Antiwar Campain published an article in one
'anti-war' paper claiming that forced evictions are the biggest
problem in Croatia and that the whole Europe is against it. But Europe
would know nothing about evictions if it was not for these NGOs who
made an issue of it. Later this same woman will advise the evicted to
seak a legal help which will be given to them free of charge by her
and her colleagues. But, an international community will pay for this
'free' legal help and so the lady in question and her colleagues will
earn their fee. And as a reward they will be invited to participate at
different symposiums across Europe where they will exchange their
experiences with their 'colleagues' from Nicaragua, Salvador and
Burma!

(skip: vague story about lost video cassete with Croatian war
criminal from Srebrenica...always talking about Yugoslavia, never
Croatia except in a negative context...99% of activists is against
Tudjman and the government...they never protested against USSR...)

Croatia is a new country, a new market - which is exactely what
these people need. They must find new 'subjects' in order to
attract an attention and colect money. People give once or twice
for Nicaragua or Chile and than they stop giving. NGOs must look
for new places and must attract media. For example, I asked Pax
Christi directly how much of the money collected during a
'Blankets for Bosnia' campaigne actualy made its way to Bosnia?
I'll tell you that it was not more than 10%. The rest was used
to finance for their own political campaigne.

Vj - Croatian public knowes very little about this organization.
Could you shed some light?

PS - Pax Christi is an old Chatolic organization, but in mid-
sixties it was infiltrated by people who have little to do with
fate. Church in Europe is used to propagate these 'greenies' and
'humanrighties'. They found it very handy because the state
institutions have no right to interfere with the Church which
gives a lot of space to NGOs. And who is the boss, the real boss?
Mister Jan Ter Laak, a Dutchman, a big friend of Jasser Arafat, ANC
and National Democratic Front of Filipines! Why does he needs to have
a contact with organizations which were involved in terrorism?  So
that he can arbitrate, colect donations and be politicaly active.

Vj - Is Pax Christi active in Croatia?

PS - Certanly! There is one co-worker of this organisation in
every NGO that I mentioned! I will name the Dutchmen, and you can
check out the Croats. For example, a so-called 'coordinator of peace
ambassies for ex-Yu' - Mient Jan Faber - was a board member of Pax
Christi, and now he comes to make peace on Balkan. What they do under
the cover of educating the Bosnians for democracy is - recruiting
future activists! (skip: vague story about our poor boys in Sebrenica,
it's all the fault of Dutch minister of Devellopment, Jan Pronk who
had the guts to visit them in uniform.)

Vj - You are a sharp talker. Aren't you a little paranoid when
you see the tentacles of NGOs all around you?

PS - Let's be logical. Many of these activists are honest people. But,
'a concern for the enviroment' turns in no time into 'a fight for free
media' and that's not a subject which can be disscussed at the level
of pettitons and demonstrations. In Holland a petition was signed
against media missuse and a new law on media, before the law was even
discussed in the Croatian parliament. These people who are pulling the
strings picture the situation worst than it is in order to make
themselves look importand and to gain attention. It is the nature of
these NGOs to work on a principle 'one for all - all for one'. So, the
greens are quick to join forces with anti-war organizations and
different 'human rights fighters'.

Vj - But, why are they doing all this if your hypothesis is
correct?

PS - The reason is - money and power - the driving force behind
every politics. You can see that the greens, the Labour, the
Socialists and similar parties have the majority in the European
Parliament. They are the political representatives of these NGOs.
There are clear political goals behind the 'struggle for human
rights'. They will ask for the same criteria for 'agressors' and
'victims' in ex-Yu, but not so if they talk about 'liberation
movements'. (skip:...examples of terrorist activities of ANC and
others about of which NGOs don't want to talk...NGO's decide what's
good and what's bad. If you critize them, they will attack you in
their paper, or worse things can happen.)

Vj - Why are you telling all this to the Croatian public?

PS - Because Croatia is at the top of their priorities at the
moment. They don't like the state which refuses to play their
game. They treat Croatia as an African country while every normal
person can see that Croatia is an European country. They claim to
favour equality, but they want to control all media and intellectuals,
and try to provoke your gouvernment to make an unthoughtfull move.
Unfortunally your gouvernment does this from time to time, and that is
just what they want. They blow incidents up to enourmous proportions.
Just see how they turn president Tudjman into fascist over night, and
he was fighting in an anti-fascist movement during the WW2! They want
 to push the government into a defensive position, to force it
to make some stupid move. And, unfortunately, it works sometimes. My
advise to the Croatian government is to be more offensive, to move the
NGOs into defensive. I repeate - there are many honest people active
in NGOs, but we must be aware of those who are pulling the strings
from behind the scene. The inteligence comunities in the West know how
many KGB agents were active within NGOs! All of us who watch their
activities closely know why are our churches deserted - people are fed
up with a church being used as a platform for political tirades about
Rwanda, Nicaragua, Salvador. People go to church for something else
but the NGOs see it as a place for political manipulations.
(skip:...third world shops are used to make people sign all kind of
petitions...)

Vj - You're giving an interview, your photo will be in the papers -
aren't you afraid of these 'power-people-in-the-shadows' as you call
them?

PS - They are following me for a long time, and they tried to
shut me up. They even accused me of stealing the waste paper from
their offices! (skip: NGO's produce so much waste paper, but Dutch
minister of environment started campaign against sending xmas
cards...)

Vj - What to say at the end except that you are very sharp?

PS - That I am right! I don't call these activists 'activists'
but 'antivists'! They are always 'anti', against, but their
bosses know very well how to fight for - themselves.

-- End --