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From: VANJA.NIKOLIC@ZAMIR-ZG.comlink.apc.org
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Hi Ivo, Ed and others,
It seems I've made a mistake and I'm sorry for that.
I wrote a message recently on this conference, which produced un
avalanche of messages telling me all sorts of new informations for me
and critisism. I feel I need to apologise to those that I hurt or
confused by my message.

VN>Hi,
VN>I'm working as a facilitator of the ZAMIR network which connects human
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe this word doesn't describe well the work I was given to do by Eric
Bachman, Ognejn Tus, Srdjan Dvornik and others in Zamir-support team.
My job is suppose to be a sort of "social-sysop", a person who takes
care about a social component of the Zamir-net, here from Zagreb.
There are many zamir  conferences, many zamir usres, but no too many
dicussions and informaions appearing on it.
Most of users of zamir are working in different NGO's and doing an
excellent job. Probably because of being too busy and not having a
habbit of spending much time on e-mail, people don't write about their
work, don't discusse much,..
In order to make people more activ on zamir, I'm suppose to read all
different apc of hrnet or..conferences and forward it (maybe just
sumarise it) to zamir conferences. There are also many other ways of
supporting people to start writing.....

VN>I'd like to thank to all of you who are sending greetings and best
VN>wishes to people here. I have to inform you that there are more than
VN>1 000 users (not only inidividual) conected on our net, but not too
VN> many who subscribed to apc/zamir/chat conference.
             ^^^^^^^^^^
Most of users of zamir work off-line using the crosspoint program.
That's why people have to subscribe to an conference in order to receive
it. As there is such a huge range of conferences it is allways difficult
to decide which conferences to read.
I don't know many people in Zagreb who read apc/zamir/chat. (I made a
little werbal investigation, not real research).  I saw that on
zapc/zamir/chat there are so many messges appearing every day, and some
of those messages are really opening interresting questions.
 I crossposted it on different zamir conferences with a suggestion to
"local" users to subscribe on apc/zamir/chat.
Maybe it was all I had to do. But,...being Vanja and being a professional
in jumping into fields that I don't have much clue about, I'm so used to
make mistakes.
"Nobody will forgive you if you don't forgive yourself" my grandmather
used to say. So, I repeat: I did make mistake, and sorry for that.
VN>
VN>That's probably the reason that you don't get many replyes from these
VN>terirories. The APC conference which most of us follow is:
VN>                  apc/yugo/antiwar
It is true, but it doesn't mean it can not change. Sorry Ivo for
suggesting to people to move on other conference. It seems I didn't
think enough about my message before posting it. Of corse, yugo/antiwar
has one purpose and zamir/chat is something completly different.
I was just sorry that there are so many interresting messages on
zamir/chat and many people here never end up reading it. It would be
great, Ivo, if you could write a short decsription of zamir/chat so we
can adwrtise it here.

HERE ON THE END: I don't have much clue about the internet, www, and all
sorts of high-tech things that you all are so familiar with.
I did try to get acces on internet, but Eric and some other people told
me it is not so eazy   yet, as Croatia doesn't have many internet
conections. I hear that very soon (maybe allready) Croatian post office
and IBM Zagreb are opening "comercial" lines for internet, and it will
be possible.
In meantime, we in Antiwar Campaign Croatia (in Zagreb) in whose office
Zamir-zg BBS is situated, we were talking about opening a Zamir-pub.
If any of you have some ideas, suggestions, financial or material
support to offer, it would be more than brilliant.

Thanks to Ivo, Ed and others who took their time to teach me some
things. If I wouldn't be me, I would probably feel so bad of making this
mistake, so I would never appear on this conference any more. But I'm
stubborn like hell, and there is one thing I'll never learn: spelling
and gramar of english language.
I wish that in my life I make just spelling mistakes, but....

Kisses and greetings from nice warm flat, on sunday morning after one
briliant party in Eric's and Rudiger's flat.

Vanja

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