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From notes@igc.apc.org Tue Aug 29 08:13:19 1995
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Date: 29 Aug 1995 02:49:33
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From: sme076@abdn.ac.uk
Subject: Casualties are people
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Following the latest demonstration of brutality
in Sarajevo, shouldn't someone publish the names
of the victims on this list? For those with a
particular disposition, it is too easy to ignore
or minimise reports which do not go beyond totals
of dead and injured. Such lists, we know, are
posted up in Sarajevo's streets. If someone can send
them to the list, I would print and display them in
my workplace as both memorial and plea. Others list
members may consider similar actions.
Would this action be, as it would be intended, both
respectful of the dead and mindful of the living?
I will be pleased to hear what people think, especially
those of you with personal connections with Bosnia.
Simon
PS Where is Louise McCorkindale?
From notes@igc.apc.org Tue Aug 29 08:22:26 1995
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Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:55:43 -0700 (PDT)
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From: PeaceNet Balkans Desk
Subject: Montenegro contact wanted
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[Please respond to the sender by email - he does not
read this conference -- ed]
>From: kingugh@shore.net
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 04:19:37 -0400
>To: pnbalkans@igc.apc.org
>Subject: Montenegro links
Good Morning,
My name is Kevin Hembrough and I live in Massachusetts, USA. I am
trying to find email people in the Montenegro area so that I may be able to
establish a link for a visiting student who will be staying with me for
about nine months. I was hoping to make his stay here in America more
enjoyable by finding a way for him to talk with his family through email.
Thank you for your time and attention to this request.
Kevin
______________________________________________________________________________
We are all angels with but one wing--only joined together can we fly!!
From notes@igc.apc.org Tue Aug 29 08:28:27 1995
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Date: 29 Aug 1995 04:13:59
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From: doctorb@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Owen-Stoltenberg "Accepted Unconditionally Only by the Serbs" [Augus
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From: doctorb@ix.netcom.com (. )
Subject: Owen-Stoltenberg "Accepted Unconditionally Only by the Serbs" [August l993]
'PROOF':
At Bosnia home page
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bosnia/bosnia.html
choose 'Brief History of the War'
[or http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~bosnia/doc/history.html]
The first document is
'Chronology of Events' (5/30/1991 - 11/8/1993)
WEU Document
which begins:
QUOTE
Courtesy of the AMERICAN COMMITTEE TO SAVE BOSNIA
- December 1994 -
A HISTORY OF THE
NEGOTIATIONS - OVERVIEW
To date there have been four major diplomatic initiatives
involving peace plans for the former Yugoslavia:
The Vance Plan for Croatia (January 1992)
The Vance-Owen Plan (1992-93)
The Owen-Stoltenberg Plan (Summer-Fall 1993)
The Contact Group Plan (May 1994-Present)
All four plans were ultimately accepted by the Bosnian
Government and rejected by Karadzic and the Serbs.
END_QUOTE
This is flatly contradicted by the following document at the
same home page:
'History of Negotiations from ACSB' which begins
QUOTE
Chronology of Events (WEU Documentary)
Paris, 29th November 1993 A/WEU/DEF (93)
DEFENCE COMMITTEE
(Thirty-Ninth Session of the Assembly)
______
The Yugoslav conflict -
Chronology of events from
30th May 1991-8th November 1993
INFORMATION DOCUMENT
submitted by Sir Russell Johnston
Chronology
==========
[. . .]
31st August [1993] Negotiations are resumed in Geneva between
Muslims, Serbs and Croats; although the new Owen/Stoltenberg plan
is accepted unconditionally only by the Serbs.
END_QUOTE
From notes@igc.apc.org Tue Aug 29 08:29:34 1995
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Date: 29 Aug 1995 02:48:35
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From: karis-a@P1.SR.SE
Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Looking for sister Lejla and Alma
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the swedish radioprogram Studio X want to get in tought with young persons
in sarajevo, or Bosnia for more information on the war. And your storys
about how you use internet as a conection with the world outside( or
inside) former Jugoslavia...
best wishes
anton karis
producer
swedish radio in stockholm.
KARIS-A@P1.SR.SE
From notes@igc.apc.org Tue Aug 29 08:29:47 1995
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Date: 29 Aug 1995 02:52:51
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From: 100440.270@compuserve.com
Subject: The Grandeur of Serb Civilization
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From: Robert Bennett <100440.270@compuserve.com>
Dear President Clinton:
As Americans, my friends and I here in Europe would like to say that we
are proud that the US has condemned yesterday's killings in Sarajevo,
and that State Department Spokesman Nicholas Burns fixed the blame
squarely where it belongs: on the Serbs. Sadly, however, the same thing
cannot be said of the United Nations or the European allies.
With that attack, the Serbs almost surpassed themselves in grossness and
depravity. Their viciousness is exceeded only by the sheer evil of their
assertion that Bosnian forces themselves carried out this murder of
Bosnian women, children, and others, young and old.
Last week, CNN's Jackie Shymanski said that "moral outrage" was the only
response to the Serb shells that had then just butchered three girls in
Gorazde.
All of us here are therefore gratified that the United States seems to
understand that if moral outrage is the only response that Nato and the
United Nations make to this most recent demonstration of Serb humanity
and Serb civilization, then there is no hope whatsoever for any end to
the Balkan war for a very long time indeed.
Efforts to make peace in any conflict are certainly commendable, but if
your enemy continues to murder your people while you are defenseless and
others are preventing you from protecting yourself, what sense do those
peace efforts really make?
Mr. President, we in Europe are glad that your administration
comprehends that sometimes efforts to make peace are simply not enough.
Sometimes the kind of inhumane, brutal, and barbaric force that the
Serbs project has to be met by force that is at least equally as
powerful.
If this is not done, the war will not just continue, it will continue to
spread, as it has done, for the past four years. The contagion of this
war, moreover, could well be more virulent than anything Europe has seen
in fifty years.
A few weeks ago on CNN, Emre Gonensay, an adviser to the Turkish Prime
Minister said about the Balkans, "The only solution is for the Western
allies to have the political will to put massive amounts of ground
forces on the land there and prepare to fight the Serbs."
That solution may appear extreme to some, but unless Nato and the UN
respond to this latest monstrous act of Serb terror in Sarajevo, that
solution may one day be the only one left.
And if the Western allies don't respond, then ultimately the Moslem
nations - to their great credit - almost certainly will.
Sincerely yours,
Robert J. Bennett
Munich