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Hi Ivo,
I don't understand what you mean, or what I should do, when you say my
messages bounced to you.
All the best,
Bob Bennett
Munich
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Hi Ivo,
Many thanks for your note. In my case, I guess it was "imperfect earthling
technnology," which actually I think is pretty amazing, but that's another
story. Anyway, I haven't sent - and won't send - anything over 40K!
All the best,
Bob Bennett
On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Ivo Skoric wrote:
> Sometimes messages bounce when they are too long, and sometimes for
> whatever stupid reason this imperfect earthling's technology could
> come up with. Anyway, if you have really long story try to send it
> like two or three files (anything over 40K is long story).
>
> ivo
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On 8/18/95, Ivo Skoric wrote:
>Wow, RJ, it seems you got some emotional friends too. Bosnians will
>soon live in almost all Western countries, bringing with them their
>dark stories of cruelty, persecution, inhumanity and their unspoken
>anger about the World's reaction. We will have to live with this for
>decades to come. The Western leaders are fools if they believe this
>will not leave an impact on their preciously balanced societies.
Well, it won't be the first time Western leaders were proved to be fools.
Rick
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From: Robert John Bennett
Subject: Not Much to Ask For
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Dear President Clinton:
A Serb acquaintance called me up on Sunday and said excitedly, "Have you
heard the news? CNN has just reported that three artillery shells have
slammed into Gorazde!"
I told him he must be very happy about that. Then I asked if anyone had
been killed.
"Only three Moslem children," he answered, "but that's not important. What
IS important is that the UN and Nato have announced there will be NO
military response! Isn't that terrific ?"
I told him Serbs certainly must feel that way.
"Isn't it amazing, though?" he went on excitedly. "The war's going OUR way
again! Some people thought everything looked so bleak just a few weeks ago
when Nato was threatening air strikes and promising to defend Gorazde
forever." He paused to catch his breath. "I told the others there was
nothing to worry about, and I was right."
Yes, I said, he certainly had been.
"I mean, look at what's happening," he rattled on. "The British announce
the withdrawal of their UN forces from Gorazde, then we knock out three
children with our shells, and THEN the world is informed there will be no
military response, no retaliation! And you know what the best part of all
this is?"
I asked him what that might be.
"Richard Holbrooke says NEGOTIATIONS will continue next week! What more
could we ask for?"
I told him there didn't seem to be much.
Sincerely yours,
Robert J. Bennett
Munich
From notes@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 21 16:24:41 1995
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From: Ivo Skoric
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I think that the Western policy changed throughout the Balkans war.
It is true that in the beginning they quietly backed Milosevic in his
intent to subdue the country of Yugoslavia to his militant Serb
nationalist rule. But this changed. The U.S. today mostly backs
Tudjman's Croatia. The West today wants Bosnia as a sort of buffer
zone between Croatia and Serbia. The thing is that "powers" cannot
yet agree on how big Bosnia they are really confortable with. And
what was the motivation behind such a policy? Simple. Great powers,
which are in their nature imperialist, always back bigger and
stronger party in any given conflict: they like to bet on the winning
horse. Since Serbs resolve faltered, they now back Croatia. The same
how they first armed Shah's Iran, then when Khomeini took over and
attacked Iraq, they got scared of too powerful Iran, so they armed
Saddam's Iraq. Later however when Saddam attacked Kuwait, they
crushed Bhagdad and armed Kuwait and Saudi Arabia - always
contributing to the *increase* of instability in the region.
Date: 20 Aug 1995 15:55:49
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From: g92l4807@giraffe.ru.ac.za
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Orthodox Western critics of Western Policy towards Bosnia claim that
the West has no policy and assuage their collective guilt with apologetic
theories explaining this so-called paralysis. In fact, however, and this
is clear to even a Southerner informed by Western media monopolies as I
unfortunately am, there seems to have been a deliberate Western policy to
conspire with and help Serbia (arms embargo, "peace plans" etc.) ensure
that the Bosnian state is weak and unviable, if not destroyed.
As a student of International Politics, I assure you that such
malevolent intent is typical of Western foreign policy.
Does anyone out there have any ideas about what the motivation for such
a Balkans policy could be.