he got it up the poop shoot

I AM SO SORRY FOR THE PAIN YOUR FAMILY HAS SUFFERED AND WILL CONTINUE TO SUFFER. MY 19 YEAR OLD SON WAS RECENTLY KILLED BY THE POLICE. IT HAUNTS ME DAY AND NIGHT... ESPECIALLY KNOWING HOW GENTLE AND KIND HEARTED HE WAS. I HOPE YOU ARE ABLE TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW. PLEASE PRESS CHARGES AND HELP SAVE THE NEXT CHILD WHO GOES IN THERE. UNLESS THE COURTS BEGIN TO INSIST OTHERWISE, GUARDS WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY, OR LOOK ON WITHOUT PROTECTING PEOPLE WHO ARE PUT IN THEIR CHARGE. OUR LAWS ARE CASE MADE... MADE IN COURTS THAT COMMAND WHAT WILL BE DONE IN THE FUTURE BASED ON WHAT THEY DECIDE TODAY. WITH THE PRISON POPULATION GROWING AS IT HAS, IT IS A WONDER THAT MORE PEOPLE HAVEN'T STEPPED FORWARD TO FIGHT CRAP LIKE THIS. SORRY THAT THIS WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.

I apoligize for not monitoring this page better. Unfortunatly i realize the pain he went through. On Christmas eve and day in 1984 i was repeatedly gang raped.A site dedicated to Rodneys memory can be found at http://expage.com/page/rhulin

1. All events and happenings came from 11 coberating statements. 2. I never said he didnt hang himselfe I'm saying he was driven to it by rape and beatings. I'll be more then happy to provide the documents i based the FACTS on. Yes ive never been in prison only County jail. In 1984 at 18 i was repeatedly gang raped on Christmas eve and day on shoplifting charges. I'm not going return the barbs. But if you choose to be more informed ill be happy to show you everything. check out this page http://expage.com/page/rhulin

It appears one person jumped to conclusions. How this person drew the conclusions they did is beyond me and was clearly speculative. At least this person is trying to do something. If more people would do this and put half as much energy into helping then tearing people down who are trying. This Country would be a far better place today John Rogerson

IF YOU CANT DO THE TIME DONT DO THE CRIME!!!!!

Waa, waa, waa......"my son was such a sweet and gentle boy". I'll bet his parents let him wear a backwards baseball cap and baggy pants and listen to rap. You wnat to break lwas and be a scumbag, there's a Bubba waiting for YOU, too!

i jst cant beleve that something so horrifing like that could take place here in this suposedly great country of ours.that just makes me sick.things have to change more and more it seems that we are becoming a police state,and if it doesnt change soon i think america could be heading towards a revolution or cival up roar of some kind...tony

My faith in the prison system is restored once again, thanks.

I wonder if this parents lay awake a night wondering if they would have been better parents if this tragedy would have happened? Although I am sorry for thier loss, I find it ironic that the blame is being focused on Law Enforcement. Correct me if I am wrong, but if this "child" would not have broken the law wouldnt he be home with his loving family now? Oh by the way he may have only been 17 and a teenager but in the State of Texas the day of your 17th birthday you are an adult!

Could the people who wrote that this human being got what he deserved provide us with their certificates of perfection. If not, please give us your address, so we can come and rape you until you're driven to suicide. Nice show of compassion fellas!

Sure he may have done a crime, and yes he was doing the time. But his punishment wasn't to be gang raped. His punishment wasn't a death sentence. For the morons that say he got what he deserved, I can only hope that one day you make a mistake and are caught for it. Then while you're getting raped you can think back to what you wrote here. Prison guards know this crap goes on and do nothing about it. It is about time they are held responsible for their lack of action.

Apparently Illiteracy is also a major problem in Beaumont .....use your spell checkers, thesaurus, or whatever you must do to not sound so bloody ignorant.

If this incident actually happened,I would be more impressed if you had used spell-check prior to posting it. See noose and others

Since when is grammar a measuring stick for social consciousness? I would like to see you talk your way out of the same situation with your clever speech, you condescending prick.

I think it is sad that a person can't be safe in jail. And for all you people saying smart things about this its not real funny. How would you like to have a bunch of criminals or whoever did this boy this way do the same to you? I bet you wouldn't like it very much huh.

I'm a police officer (Oink oink) And I don't care about no nothing except scarfing these hair doughnuts. (munch, munch.)

ITS THE POLICE WHO ARE THE SCUM!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! This loser won't be burning any more buildings down. It gives me smug satisfaction to see justice in the prisons if not in the courts. For a photo of this loser getting what he deserved: http://www.houston-press.com/1997/080797/feature1-1.html To whoever constructed this website - go to school, you illiterate peasant.

Whoever wrote this must not have passed spelling in school.

By the atrocious spelling, I'm guessing that the author of this laughable page is a hayseed dullard probably not unlike the unfortunate "martyr" described in unfortunate detail. My curiousity is what heinous crime this neer-do-well committed to be thrown in the clink with the hard-cores....probably hurts your sympathy angle if you were to reveal what this cretin actually did. My only regret after reading this story(sounds like the Shawshank Redemption as narrated by Jim Nabors) is that this hillbilly boytoy took the coward's path and wasn't raped more. I bet he was sweet meat to his cellmates! The tears that his hayseed mother sheds over his grave are my sighs of relief that this cretin was prevented from maturing to more socially aggressive crimes

To the person who wrote the first response: Of course there will a a revolution. One predicted by Karl Marx that will liberate the oppressed and do away with our fascist elite police state country!

Hey spider you fascist pig goon! Whats up? Lick any pig cops boots lately? I sure hope it feels good when the little piggies come for you. Are you going to be squealing when the jackboots come for you? Same to Cras9 and lash5. ALL THREE ARE PIGS!!!!!!!!

You know, I'm really disturbed by this. I live near Beaumont and even know a person or two who is a guard at that prison. I had absolutely no idea this had happened. You're right, this is totally 100% wrong. I have no sympathy for murderers, rapists or child molesters and I have no sympathy for most other crimes. But, this is ridiculous. I can even accept that this could happen in prison, but I think the punishment for it should be SO severe, that it would deter the other inmates from doing such a thing. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I think this is a tragic story and it really disturbs me that it happened in the first place. Another thing that bothers me is the mean - spiritedness of people who have posted here. I totally agree that this page is not gramatically correct. And yes, I think it should be done much more professionally. But you know, the point here is not whether or not it meets our personal standards or gramatical perfection, but rather this senseless and completely ridiculous tradgedy. I think something should be done and I am just flat out angry. I teach in an Alternative School program and I see these kids that have more problems than most of us any can think of or imagine. It's sad that there is no one to save them from such a fate.

My comments are for those of you who are well educated enough to understand that the key issue here is an issue of the boy's constitutional rights (and not an issue of the boy's criminal conduct, nor an issue of the gramatical correctness of the author of this webpage). The rest of you I am not even going to bother with as you probably don't even know what your constitutionally guarenteed rights are. I hold a B.S. in Criminal Justice, and have elected not to seek employment in that field because of the attitudes of those in charge of the law enforcement and corrections systems in America today. The individuals who run the system, by and large, do not care about human rights. After graduating from college, I interviewed with several different facilities under the Ohio Department of Youth Services and the Ohio Department of Corrections umbrellas. The positions that I had applied for were entry-level corrections officer and corrections counselor postions. During each interview I was asked how I would respond/react if I ever encountered a situation in which another corrections officer was sexually abusing or otherwise mistreating an inmate (adult or juvinile). My honest answer, I told each interviewer, was that I would attempt to make my coworker stop, even if it meant having to beat the crap out of him or her. Only one interviewer (during the last interview I chose to go to) had the gut to tell me that my answer was considered inappropriate and was a disqualifying factor in my application. She said that although many wrongs were committed from time to time by staff members, to "break ranks would be to cause a break down of the system, and could potentially endanger the lives of my fellow corrections officers". I relate this to illustrate the fact that the problem of abuses perpetrated by members of our law enforcement and corrections professions is a problem with deep roots. The very standard by which individuals are hired in the American law enforcement community must be re-examined if we are ever going to erradicate human rights abuses. (For example, police departments in many communities advocate the use of Civil Service tests in the hiring of their police and corrections officers. These tests often favor those with military backgrounds by granting former servicmen additional points on their testscorces. These additional points are based solely upon an individual's prior military service and have no relationship to training or experience obtained during military service. In other words, it makes no difference if a veteran was an M.P. or a cook. Either way, he would have an advantage in securing employment in the corrections or law enforcement field.) There are those who might say, "So what if those with military backgrounds have the advantage in securing jobs such as these?" I ask you to consider the idea that military minds are more indifferent to human suffering and that our military system indoctrinates individuals to be indifferent to suffering. Everyone knows that in boot-camp soldiers are taught that only the strong survive and that anyone who complains of mistreatment/ degradation is "weak" and a poor example of a man/human. Harsh psychological conditioning such as this does not leave a person immediately upon discharge from the service. And this is the root of our problem. Our penal system, our law enforcement system is directed by militarized minds, and both the accused and the convicted, the innocent and the guilty, fall into their hands. What can be done about this? The answer, again, is within our hands and is Constitutionally guarenteed. VOTE!!!! VOTE!!!! VOTE!!!! VOTE!!!! Join together with those of like mind and demand that your state legislators propose changes to the state penal systems and law enforcement employment systems. These things can be changed by law, but if they are to be changed the demands for change must be made to sympathetic lawmakers. If your lawmakers don't cooperate, YOU, the People have the ability to vote them out, but you must make an organized effort to do so. Those who do not protect their rights may some day lose them. The Constitution of the United States is the greatest gift anyone in this nation has ever inherited from his/her forefathers. USE IT BEFORE WE LOSE IT. TO INDULGE IN APATHY IS TO GIVE ANYONE IN POWER THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THESE RIGHTS AWAY! WORK ON YOUR CONGRESSMEN, YOUR REPRESENTATIVES. YOU PAY THEIR SALARIES--THEY WORK FOR YOU. TELL THEM WHAT TO DO! DON'T LET THEM TELL YOU HOW IT'S GONNA BE! VOTE! And don't be an Island--band together. Get organized. If you see injustice, don't turn away and decide it's not your problem because it hasn't happened to you or anyone in your family yet. That injustice, as the author of this website knows, can hit home any day without warning. VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!

Hello, My name is Joan Mogensen. My heart and soul go out to this family. I DO understand. You see, my son was found hung also, and it seems like no one cares. Although he was not in custody, there is overwhelming evidence of it being homicide. The officials here in Minnesota where we live agree that it was a homicide and that there was probably a pay off to the local officials in Corning, NY, where my son was. Or, they were also involved with drug trafficing. I have tried everything I can think of, to get someone in the legal govt. in NY to listen, but everytime, I try to speak with someone that was involved with my son's case or his autopsy, that also reveals he was sodomized, they either don't work there anymore, or they left state. My son was 19 years old, and there were several reports of people hearing him yell, also. Dear God, what has this country come to. No one cares about our children, I just do not uner- stand. My son supposedly died March 13, 1996, but, they couldn't give me a medical time of death. Even with all this, they ruled a suicide. I even have some of the physical evidence, some of which is black electrician tape, of which was used to tie my son up. You see I do understand this family's plight. I'll pray for them. I just don't know what else I can do. If there is anything, please let me know. I will gladly do it. And please, if you have any ideas for me, please let me know. It would be greatly appreciated. Without my son, it seems I have no soul left. We were so close, I can't believe I'm still alive without him. My e-mail address is fern@the-bridge.net, my phone number is 218-258-3726. Thank You, Sincerely, Joan Mogensen, Ryan's Mom.

Hello Again, I've forgotten one very important thing in my statement to the family. Some of the other messages that you have recieved are really just trash, from people who either have no knowledge, or maybe work with the corrupt portion of this system. At no time, does any one have the right to be above the law. Not even a police officer or a guard, or any one else. Your son suffered much, for that I'm so sorry. And I'm also sorry for the idiots that wrote what I call garbage to you. The sad thing, is that one day, something will happen to one of their family, and the shoe will be on the other foot. Then I'm sure, they will be singing a different song, because it's one of their's. My prayers are with you. Sincerely, Joan Mogensen

My sympathy to the family. The "criminal justice system" is only slightly better than the middle ages. Conviction and exoneration is scarcely better than a coin toss. Something to think about for the moral idiots that add pain to this family and to all of us really. Do we really want to see sodomy and an aids death sentence for every jaywalker? There are surely better answers to the crime problem than letting prisons become living hells.

Most police and "correctional officers" and all DOC people are rapist or co-rapist. We need to set up a data bank for these sick bastards so we can prosecute them later.

SPELL CHECK COMES ON NEARLY EVERY COMPUTER PROGRAM. WHY DONT YOU USE IT BEFORE YOU POST YOUR STORIES?

Another jail "victim" who didn't do anything to be in prison. Man, don't you jerkoffs get tired of the same old song? I sure do.

First and foremost: spelling & grammar. Sure, proper usage might be 'bourgeois' and 'counter-revolutionary', but even the politburo needs to be understood. It wouldn't hurt you, either. Secondly, what exactly DID this young man do? To lend your site more credibility, you should let us know. Some may ask, "Does it really matter what he did? Isn't this still a travesty?" Yes and no. Is it abhorrent that the police and other organs of civil order are almost universally racist, sexist and classist? Absolutely. Is it also abhorrent that people can ignore the fact that, sometimes, they might have someone in their family who is an irredeemable shit-heel? Someone who might have done an actual crime that merits punishment? Yes. Because one problem feeds the other. See if you can guess the direction of the flow. While Law Enforcement as a body should be accountable, SO SHOULD INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS WHO DO NOTHING TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN, ESSENTIALLY GUIDE THEM INTO A LIFE OF POINTLESS TRANSGRESSIONS, THEN WEEP AND WAIL WHEN THEY FIND OUT THAT THEIR YOUNG'UN IS IN JAIL, AND THAT IN JAIL ONE ACTUALLY HAS TO SUFFER PRIVATIONS. This is not directed against the family, nor against the website...guy (or whatever they call him). This is disgust at what passes for modern liberalism and progressivism in 1990's America.

Why is it not an investigation. Is no one to be held accountable for this young man's death? It's appalling at least and a crime against nature to be subjected to such horror, my god have they gone to the newspaper with this story. Encourage them to do so. The boy's soul needs rest and justice. The parent needs to sue them. Contact Tony Serra in San Francisco. Zetta1@learn.com

What was this child charged with???

DOES SPELLING REALLY MATTER IN A SITUATION WHERE A FAMILY TRAGICLY LOST A SON, GRANDSON, BROTHER, ETC? FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SAY WELL HE COMMITTED A CRIME, HE DESERVES WHAT HE GETS I THOUGHT THE LAW WAS SUPPOSED TO BE INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY, LOOKS AS THO WE HAVE FORGET THAT IN OUR GREAT NATION HERE. I HOPE NONE OF YOU UNCOMPASSIONATE , COLD-HEARTED PEOPLE ARE EVER BLESSED WITH A CHILD. AND GOD FORBID IF YOU DO HAVE CHILDREN THEY LEARN YOUR UNFELT WAY OF DEALING WITH PROBLEMAS SUCH AS THESE IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM. HOW UNINTELLIGENT CAN YOU BE? REALLY!!!!!!!!

This event occurred in 1997. Does any one have any info or update? did the familiy sue? Sometimes I am glad I dont live in the States but lets face it it happens in every prison system and the young criminals dont believe it when you tell them. To expect humanity from these dehuminizing systems is too expect a miricle. I must say though that several people have had articulate and well thought out responses that give me hope that THEY will seek office and elicit some change!!

You know lawyers DO NOT give a shit about justice,NOR DO COPS,whatever road they need to take to enhance their career,be it right or wrong,they will follow that path.I know personnaly that some cops are good but the majority are not.

I was raped in jail, by the guard.

I'm impressed! This page should be made compulsory reading for every schoolkid in the entire world. That way, when this laughable system we have called justice sentences someone for some pathetically weak period for committing crimes, it'll give them all something serious to think about, and maybe the thought that 7 days prison handed out by weak - kneed liberals to young thugs for beating to death a 91 - year old pensioner, or burgling 97 houses would actually mean real suffering and a real punishment might just make someone think again. And if it means that we can all sleep safely in our beds at might, or walk when we want to where we want to, or that our kids are safe to play in the streets because would - be aggressors have been frightened off by the thought of anal punishment inside (pardon the pun), then I'm all in favour of it.

The jails of today, are not for repentence or for rehabilitation, but merely a feeding ground, for the sodimists and carreer criminals.They can get anything they want, drugs, alcohol,and yes sex, or should I say rape. That word in itself, is to dignified for the scum that does that to another human being. In closing, I think they should stand them up, against a wall, and let the victim,end the piece of shits life... R.

The jails of today, are not for repentence or for rehabilitation, but merely a feeding ground, for the sodimists and carreer criminals.They can get anything they want, drugs, alcohol,and yes sex, or should I say rape. That word in itself, is to dignified for the scum that does that to another human being. In closing, I think they should stand them up, against a wall, and let the victim,end the piece of shits life... R.

If this happend to a loved one of mine, I would blow away every fucking piece of horseshit redneck scumbag invollved until I'M DEAD MYSELF

So where does everything stand today, what has happened to all involved. Where is it going and has this changed things for the better at all? Do we check out who is hired to be guards better than before or not? Signed, SJG

I have a child that is now in the justice system. Juvinile though not adult. He was in Denton County Dentention for 11 months in 99-00. During that time, he was not allowed outside in the sun for 7 months, the male adult counterparts are allowed DAILY outside time. The men get extra food and commissary priviledges. I think the prisons are like the justice system. Set up to protect the criminals. I know that this short summary pales in comparison to your horrible experience. I just hope and pray that you find justice in your search. I am praying for you and your family.

I have a child that is now in the justice system. Juvinile though not adult. He was in Denton County Dentention for 11 months in 99-00. During that time, he was not allowed outside in the sun for 7 months, the male adult counterparts are allowed DAILY outside time. The men get extra food and commissary priviledges. I think the prisons are like the justice system. Set up to protect the criminals. I know that this short summary pales in comparison to your horrible experience. I just hope and pray that you find justice in your search. I am praying for you and your family.

this is a sad story and just makes me madder and madder.i hate pres. bush...he sucks that pussy sucks!!! smokes weed and puts innocent people in jail...that stupid fucking hypocrite sucks dick.i hate him i hate him i hate him......sorry about that kid though and my thoughts are with you in prayer...cops must eat shit and die!!!!!!! frederick maryland anarchist will be in effect soon so keep the heads up ok.

Everyone who had something negative and funny to say about this boys death, can one day laugh and joke with the actual rapist who did this crime in hell. You will all burn together. You poor fools!!!

To all Who seek enjoyment in ridicule of a childs death,I offer this......a long cylindrical item shoved so far up your ass that you can taste it.Let the memory af this child rest in peace.and may you all get your just reward for ridicule.you sick heartless goat shit eating slime suckers.

http://expage.com/page/rodneyhulin Never Forget Rodney Hulin Jr. 1979 - 1996 In my career I have never been so moved by a case as I was by Rodney Hulins case in Beaumont Texas. I still speak to his father the phone. His family is trying to move on as the best as they can. They are struggeling daily to cope with the fact there son is gone and only the few memories of a short life keeps them going. Because on a cold day in January of 1996 there son dejected from being beaten,raped repeatedly in a Texas prison system, indifferent to his torment. Hung himself in his cell and lingerd in a coma three months before dying. His pleas for help where clearly documented, but it never came. What was his crime ?. Setting a fence on fire causing $500 in damages. We clearly need to move this nation forward and keep such tragedies from happening and the only way to do that is by demanding accountability in our Prison's. Until we do the words and justice for all. Are just that, words with no real meaning. Anthony R. Worster President American Prisoner's United P.O. Box 494 Orono, Maine 04473

That poor family. My ex- was a criminal attorney and the horrors that go so blatently disregarded right down to lesser issues.........our country is not anything like I grew up believing it was or stood for. Unity begins in community, take a look at your neighbors these days, few would come to help if you broke your only plow. We need to go back to the days when your word and a handshake meant more to you than anything else. The cops are the true gang bangers these days, and seem to enjoy proving their authority whenever and wherever they choose. Why? because they can, and we that employ them to protect and serve us are merely playing russian roulette ourselves by just going about our lives and not uniting and standing up TOGETHER IN ONE VOICE for what is right. Someone truly needs to bless this once honorable country, and all of us need to pray and unite if we are ever to win this war with ourselves.

Minorities are like canaries of the Humankind. We as the Society have empowered the children by teaching them how to Love with Hate or how to hate with Love. It is not possible have Justice, Freedom, Liberty or Love for all when the Society say it is okay to kill a certain canary with false love. A canary is a reflection of the soul of the society. If we treated the canary as a disease, real or imagine with false compassion and death, there will be no such a thing as a civilized Society.

I am appalled by the lack of compassion-- regardless of this man's crime-- probably a property crime-- did he deserve to endure for that short and extremly horrifying time what he did. It is a mark of a society in disrepair when the stone hearted laugh at the pain of a child and his mother and pass judgment on the worth of life. The animal factories that are the reality of the prision system should spurr every one of us in to action to shed light on the underbelly of our society. Prisions are about control and power-- not punishment or retribution the US would like nothing better than to put all of its population behind bars so as to make it economy run smoother. MY GREATIST SYMPATHIES TO THE FAMILY AND MY RESPECT TO THE MEMORY OF RODNEY!!!!!

You P.O.S liberal crybabys make me want to vomit..this punk kid was in jail for arson , not sleeping with some friggen hooker or stealing a candy bar form the 7-11, what if he would have burned a house with children and puppies and caused death instead of some $500.00 fence? would you feel the same..DONT LIE.....NO. The family is all up in arms and crying about their baby...they should have done something years ago. Arson now , child molestation, murder later..it is probably best for the citizens of Buemont that this mentally screwed up monster is out of their hair...and he saved us taxpayers some money and another family with a potential legitimate victim heartache. yeah ok... family show some tears now so you can sue later...you shouldnt get dick...if you would have done your job raising that boy to make proper decisions he never would have had the problems that made him light the fire...I am sick and tired of liberals placing the blame elsewhere for criminals.

To the creator of this page, could you please inform me on what has happened since? My heart goes out to the family and EVERYONE involved in the loss.

How dare any of you people criticize the memory of this boy or his family. Unless all of the people who said that he got what he deserved are perfect and never do anything wrong, you should just shut up. No matter what this boy's crime was, since what he did he shouldn't have been imprisoned for, no one deserves what he got. And if anyone who worked there at the time and do anything about what was going on is reading this, I would just like you to know, that when your judgement day comes, remember what you did, or in this case, didn't do.

Dear Christ Almighty... That is dam right horrible. Complete bullshit. Even though this isn't connected to the law: you should sue everyone that can be for even the smallest reason.

ah man go to hell

I think that people os the giards in prisons shuold do there jobs, because they wuoldn't like itf something like tat happend to them.

People shouldn't jude this boy for what he did. Yes he made a misstake but no one on the face of the earth diserves what happend to this guy. I'm only 14 years of age and I have bin in prison before and I know what gang rape is.SORRY to the perants and the family of this boy

I read through every thread on here. I decided to look up as much information on this as I could find, and read through all of it. The boy set property on fire, and that is a crime. Prison isn't meant to be comfortable, or an easy experience to endure. I support the death penalty for those who have committed murder or other violent crime. I have no problem with the fact that prisoners were humiliated or treated poorly in Abu Ghraib prison, considering what they did to get there. I'm an eye for an eye kind of guy. Rodney broke the law, and perhaps he deserved to serve some jail time. However, I do not feel that justifies being ass-raped by prison degenerates. If he were a child molester or rapist, then maybe it would be fitting, but for arson, I can't say that I see anything appropriate about it at all. I used to believe in our justice system, but in the past year, several things have happened that have changed my mind. I had a legal problem (administrative law, not criminal law, so jail time was not even an issue). The thing that soured me in that experience was that my attorney had reached a deal with the assistant D. A. on my case, only to find out at the hearing the assistant D. A. was not going to honor that agreement. Therefore, I received a much harsher penalty than was warranted for my situation. My attorney couldn't or wouldn't do anything about it. After the hearing, my attorney said we could appeal it in a district court and had an excellent chance of winning. The next day, he said the laws had changed a few years ago where appeals for this particular board had to be appealed to that very same board, and not a district court. (Glad to know I spent a couple of thousand dollars on an attorney who did absolutely no research on my particular case). This board is the only one in our state where you can't appeal their rulings in a district court. Isn't that a conflict of interest? What are the chances that the same board that ruled against you is going to reverse it's own decision? I still cannot believe that is legal. I also had the option of appealing to the state supreme court, and clearly would have won there because the thing I was penalized for was something completely unspecified in the law. However, it would cost almost $10,000 just to file a motion with the supreme court...$10,000 I didn't have. My attorney botched everything throughout the case, and handled it completely wrong. I questioned him on this several times, and he'd always argue that he knew what he was doing and to trust him. So, I did, and I paid dearly for it. I later learned my from my father that he had an almost identical situation with his attorney when he sued a business partner who lied to him and hid things about the business from him. His attorney, like mine, was supposed to be one of the best in the city, but did little for us to earn their reputations. Knowing what I know now, If I'd have handled it all myself, I'd have won. I know this because my attorney told me to admit to something I didn't do but had been accused of; if I hadn't admitted to it, there was absolutely no evidence in existence whatsoever that I had done what I was charged with--even though there is no law on the books that concerned my situation or what I was punished for. If there is no proof of wrongdoing, then you can't be charged with it. Oh, and I still have to pay all his fees for doing basically nothing but getting me into deeper trouble than I could have gotten on my own. I now understand why there are so many lawyer jokes. It frightened me about what can happen to anyone in the legal system, whether you're guilty or innocent. And if it can happen so blatantly in my situation (administrative law), I can only imagine how bad it is in a criminal court. This crap about the legal system being designed to protect the criminal is just that...it's crap. You see all these lawyer movies that show the bad guy getting off of a murder charge for a technicality...well, that doesn't really happen in real life unless the criminal is super-wealthy and can buy their own justice (O. J. Simpson, for example). Don't ever feel sorry for a prosecutor. They can mold, twist and shape the law to fit their needs all the time, and they often don't follow the letter of the law. Don't believe me? Sit in a court room for a week and you'll see what I'm talking about. And their solution for everything is incarceration. I don't have anything against cops either. There are some that clearly shouldn't be on the job, but there are plenty who do deserve to be there too. It also depends on what city you're from. The city I grew up in, the majority of cops are the kind that shouldn't be on the job. Where I live now, it's the opposite situation. Prison guards though...well, most of them shouldn't be on the job. At least not the ones I've met. I understand better why abuses occur. One responder brought up President Bush, for what reason I don't know. He alone is not responsible for the practices of state governments. He can't unilaterally pass a law that affects state prisons and their treatment of prisoners. The problems we face with prisoner treatment by other prisoners and by guards is a state level issue in most cases. I have a friend who works for the federal prison system, but he's worked for a county jail before. He confirmed that it is much better to be in a federal prison; situations like Rodney Hulin's don't occur as often in federal prisons. Besides, these problems have been going on for a lot longer than Bush's presidency. If ever a president failed to protect human rights in America and abroad, it's Bill Clinton. 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