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From: rein@vol.it
Subject: WAR: what is it good for.
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From: Reinier van Kleij

I do not want to discuss the cause of the madness going on in Yugoslavia, but
certainly it was provoked to destabilize Europe. I do not even see ways to stop
the madness: a mad man can not be convinced that he is mad. This is the
hard truth.
It is the basic law of humanity: we want to see and smell blood: the
press, the people,
the businessmen, the housewives. We are animals who pretend to be human.




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Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 20:51:15 -0500
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From: None. IGNORE E-MAIL ADDRESS SHOWN
Subject: Serbianism as heresy
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From: Knowledge Wolf

The following might be useful to know to undermine Serbian feeling Orthodox
Christianity supports their ethnicity.

Back around the turn of the century, when Serbian nationalism was getting
stronger, one of their methods was to equate national/ethnic identity with
the kingdom of God, e.g., propagandists would compare their intended
resurrection of Serbia with the Resurrection of Christ, or otherwise try
to rewrite religious celebrations into nationalist celebrations.

This is shifting from worshipping God to worshipping ethnicity, and they
are not the only ones to do this, some Americans have done this, and some
Russian Orthodox. It is not an inherently Orthodox problem, however.

Serbian propagandists also encouraged an extreme hyper sensitivity, calling
every papers check or tax collection an "outrage," or an "atrocity." This
arrogance is against the orders of The Lord to His followers and the words
of the Apostles.

The pagans observed the early Christian converts from tribes who hated each
other, now loved each other. The focus on the kingdom of Heaven was
anti-ethnicity, pro-unity. The behavior of cosmopolitan Bosnia-Herzegovina
was much more Christian in style, than nationalist pseudo Christians act.
The easy friendship between Moslems and Christians, also made for more
liklihood Moslems might convert or at least come to look to Jesus as
relevant to the Last Judgement, and neither they nor Christians be perse-
cuted.

Ethnic cleansing, killing and cruelty beyond what is necessary in a war
once one is on, and ANY sexual activity outside of mutual permanent claim
on each other (marriage or equivalent), is totally opposite to what The
Bible teaches. Paul addresses his famous lecture on how fornication is
one sin against your own body, all else a sin outside your body, and
especially evil, to men. I Corinthians 6:15-20. There is no double standard
in The Bible, see also Hosea 4:14. An unchaste man is as much a whore as
an unchaste woman. A man is one flesh with whoever he has sex with, and no
better than her.

Cease your own sins, and the approving of any sins you approve of; cease
your own militia infighting and put aside all ambition and seeking of vain
honor and fame; and cease all idolatries, including covetousness, and the
usual vicious gossip and personality squabbles in villages and pettyness,
and call on God, perhaps He will strengthen you and your friends against
your enemies and you will win. If not, at least you will be assured of
Heaven.

Meanwhile, if facing the worst, two points: If people are coming into your
house armed, stand on either side of the door and jump them as they rush
in. Gouge to the eyes, take the gun, fire on their backup. The front of the
throat can pinch-twisted-crushed also. And, facing a rape situation, the
attaacker at one point is vulnerable, twist loose grab his testicles,
squeeze hard, they will rupture. Women and kids can apply these tactics.


From iwo@echonyc.com Thu May 18 03:32:05 1995
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 03:30:30 -0400
From: Ivo Skoric 
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Subject: SARAJEVO ON-LINE
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<> Ivo Skoric                           18-MAY-95  3:30
                 iwo@echonyc
 Next Monday at noon in New York (which is 6 pm in your part of the world)
 I'll hold a workshop on ZTN at UN International School. Organizers asked me
 if I can establish a link with Sarajevo at that time. Please answer me as
 soon as possible if this could work, and what should I do. There will be
 few dozens of high school kids who'd type in some question and would like
 to make friends with their peers in Sarajevo. If there is no technical
 possibility to have Sarajevo On-Line at that time then I'd definitely need
 somebody to be on-line in Zagreb and in Belgrade (if this city is not down
 again) at that time.
 
 ivo
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"SEX, DRUGS, AND HEINEKEN." This is one of the favorite mottos of Dutch
peacekeepers in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Die Presse reported on 12 May. The
men there have established a reputation for alcohol and drug abuse, as
well as for violence against local prostitutes. But now Dutch opinion is
scandalized by fresh reports that the force has used children lured with
candy as guinea pigs to test for mine fields. Military and civilian
authorities are investigating. Meanwhile, AFP on 16 May reported on the
general malaise and feeling of uselessness among the UN peacekeepers in
Croatia. -- Patrick Moore, OMRI, Inc.

From relay@MediaFilter.org Sun May 21 17:16:29 1995
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Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 17:16:55 -0500
To: sj@MediaFilter.org
Subject: TRIO-Design Sarajevo
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From: Endi Poskovic

Hi Dada and Bojan TRIO,
This is the first time I am contacting you in years. It is emberassing,
though what can I do!!! Well, I am doing very well, exhibiting my artwork
all over America, teaching here at the University in New York and doing a
lot of exciting things. I will try to contact you more often now that I
have an exces to the Internet.This is it for today. As soon as I hear from
you, I will send you more information. Peace in Bosnia, Love and all the
things in-between.
Endi


From UnisT@aol.com Mon May 22 14:34:08 1995
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Subject: UNIS

We are twenty highschool students at the United Nations International School
in New York. This morning we put on a play about Sarajevo. It was called
Lear/Wodwo. Through the play, we tried to show some of the struggles you face
daily.  We hope everything is chill!!  Our whole day today, May 22, is
devoted to understanding your plight.  We also get the day off.  The Knicks
lost last night for the millionth time in a row.  Ewing is a very bad player
. Do you watch television. We have Channel 11, with plenty of old syndicated
American TV shows, like Charlie's Angels, and Shaft. They are terrible. If
you guys are receiving this message, write back, and stuff. Please. We have
kids in our grade in our school who are from countries which understand the
strife and bloodshed that occurs on a daily basis. Like me typing this,
Menkerios, I am homeless and from Eritrea. My friend, Yazan, is a
Palestinian, and is SUPERCOOL. So is everybody else in this room. I am
unfortunately not so cool. I wish I was like Yazan. Please help me. HELP
MEEEEEEE!! I would like to make some friends overseas, as I have none here.
The government wants to deport me, and I am looking for a new home, and some
friends. Prepare a lot of FOOD. I eat like a trucker. I have no excuse. I 'm
just plain FAT. No, all's in good fun. Errol wrote that . He's sooo fat. He
plays lacrosse and basketball. He is always the goalie. The Knicks is a
basketball team.Errol should be their mascot.  You know, like a big wuss
chicken, with feathers and F A T!!! We do not represent the UN in any way. I
am an individual. I am my own man/woman. I am not the UN, I just go here
because the public school system sucks. Greetings, and GODSPEED.  Be
carefull, and remember, we support you.  Write Back!!  Would you like some
American magazines?  We can send you some, if you want 'em!!  Tell us some
general subjects!!!


From relay@MediaFilter.org Tue May 23 15:12:28 1995
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Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 15:13:11 -0500
To: sj@MediaFilter.org
Subject: War in Bosnia
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From: Srboljub and Milorad

We  just want to say that the whole thing in Bosnia was started because
of USA and Germany who were supporting Bosnia's independence.Many muslim
countries were selling guns to so called Bosnian muslims who are actually
Serbs and croats who were  forced to convert to islam 500 years ago
when Serbs were under turkish villans.One more mistake was made by tito
who gave them their own republic.muslim countries use them to try to spread
islam to Europe.Serbs are going to stop them no matter what it takes!
BOG CUVA SRBE!


From relay@MediaFilter.org Wed May 24 14:15:52 1995
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Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 14:16:34 -0500
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From: jcrampto@gmu.edu
Subject: Any students in Sarajevo?
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From: Jeremy Crampton

Hello! My name is Jeremy and I am looking for email contacts in Sarajevo. I
teach a cultural geography class at George Mason University
and I would like my students to be able to communicate with people in Bosnia,
especially other university or college students. Americans do not know too much
about what is going on, and students especially would be excited to talk with
real people rather than just getting news reports.

Please contact me if you would like to talk with people over here! My email is
jcrampto@gmu.edu




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Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 20:35:57 -0500
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From: aaron@i3tele.com
Subject: On-line Photo Exhibit
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From: Photo Perspectives

"Faces of Sorrow: Agony in the Former Yugoslavia," an exhibition of over 50
photographs
by 35 photographers from 14 countries can be seen in the Photo
Perspectives Museum on the
World Wide Web. The URL: http://www.i3tele.com

Click on Photo Perspectives Museum and choose Faces of Sorrow from the
Exhibitions page.

The show is a humanistic documentation of the war from the cleansing of
Vukovar to the
siege of Sarajevo. It runs from the beginning of the war in Croatia in
1991 to events
in Bosnia at end of 1994.In addition to the photography, you can access over 45
articles from newspapers and human rights organizations around the world.

The objective of the museum's curators is to use imagery to create
discoure about
the abuse of human rights in Bosnia and Croatia. You can send comments to the
curators by accessing the museum's Comments page.

The actual museum exhibit has visited the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum
in Washington, D.C.,
the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles, the U.N. in New York, the Harold
Washington
Public Library in Chicago, and the University of St. Thomas in Houston.

The exhibition curators would like to know what people from Sarajevo think
about the exhibit. We hope to hear from you.


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Subject: Evictions: Masnic family finally returns
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Evictions: Masnic family finally returns

(Split, May. 25, 1995)

After having been violently evicted by Croatian Army soldier
Edo Aljinovic on November 18, 1994, Mrs. Masnic and family
were forced to live in their neighbours' apartment for almost
half a year. Recently they were able to return to their own
apartment.

Two days after the Croatian Constitutional Court had suspended
the eviction of the Masnic family, Edo Aljinovic forced his
way into the apartment, carrying three hand grenades and
threatening to blow up the place if they would not immediately
leave the apartment. Mr. Aljinovic denounced the decision of
the Constitutional Court and stated that the apartment was
his.

His defiance of the Constitutional Court was no reason for the
Civil or Military police to remove him. A week later his act
was rewarded with an apartment by the Military Housing
Commission.

On leaving the apartment Mr. Aljinovic handed over the keys to
another Croatian Army soldier, Braslav Reljanovic, who from
then on occupied the apartment without having any legal rights
to it. The Civil Police said the Military Police should remove
the soldier, but the Military Police denied that they had any
responsibility.

Mrs. Masnic had to resort to court proceedings in order to
return to her domicile. During the court case for "criminal
tresspass", Mr. Reljanovic testified that he had occupied the
apartment with the consent of the Military Housing Commission.

Mrs. Masnic fought a battle for her apartment by continuously
demanding action from the relevant local authorities i.e. the
Military and the County Housing Commissions. In her fight she
was assisted by local activists of the Dalmatian Committee of
Solidarity, the Dalmatian Committee of Human Rights and the
Croatian Helsinki Committee. The Split activists initiated a
nationwide fax campaign coordinated by the "Croatian
Coordination for Human Rights Protection".

While Mrs. Masnic won the case, Mr. Reljanovic' act of
criminal tresspass was rewarded with an apartment by the
Housing Commissions. Mrs. Masnic had to wait until an
apartment was actually availble for the soldier.

Nevertheless, Mrs. Masnic and family have returned to their
apartment. Their judicial battle combined with the efforts by
Croatian human rights activists had a positive result.

This does not apply to all violently evicted tenants. Domestic
activists claim 280 violent evictions took place in Split
between 1992 and 1994. So far only five families have been
able to return to their apartments.
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Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 02:19:18 -0500
To: sj@MediaFilter.org
From: bruner@ind.eunet.hu
Subject: Seeking Contacts
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From: Rick Bruner

Greetings,

I am a journalist living in Budapest, Hungary. I am fascinated by the ZaMir
network, and I'd very much like to make contact with someone using it from
Sarajevo or elsewhere in the the former Yugoslavia. I don't see much on this
message board that appears to be originating from inside the former Yugoslavia.
Is anyone down there actually receiving these messages? If so, and if you'd
like to corespond with me, please write back at one of the addresses below.

Peace,

Rick

-----------------------                         -----------------------
Rick E. Bruner                           Freelance journalist, Budapest
               Editor: The Hungary Report (online)
<74774.2442@compuserve.com>                                 "info" c/o:
Tel/Fax: (36-1) 202-4700       


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Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 03:29:09 -0500
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From: goran.hansen@mailbox.swipnet.se
Subject: To Bruno Uhrlich, Sarajevo Symph.Orchest
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From: Goran Hansen

12 sept 1993 I wrote a letter to you, but it was returned by the postoffice
saying: No postal exchange with Sarajevo. I had written as follows:
Dear Friend, The other day I saw a short interview flash by in TV.
And I was shaken and yet had a happy feeling because I saw how culture
and style can survive even surrounded by barbary.I do hope that you still
are alive and that peace and normal conditions will return soon. And I want
you to know that people all arround the world are thinking on you.
It is very frustrating: what can we do? If this reaches you
I hope you4ll contact me.Goran Hansen, Braviksvagen 30,120 52 ARSTA, Sweden
Best whishes ,Goran







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Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 05:27:48 -0500
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From: bcarhart@netcom.com
Subject: You are famous
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From: Bob Carhart

  I have been hearing much about the fighting in Bosnia -- it is sad
the war has been so long.  I am one who rarely watches my TV and it
is true I have seen very little of many very shocking news stories.
So, for example, I do not know whether the photo of two boys which
I saw on my computer over the Internet from the San Jose Mercury News
was also on the TV.  But I hope the picture can be attached to this
message so the boys will know they have become famous on computer
screens of many people near San Jose(California, USA) and elsewhere.
  I know of few behaviors that obviate the destructiveness of war
more than that shown in the photo.  The youngsters channel their
curiosity toward the fate of their enemies.  I hope that soon these
young fellows will have much more pleasant ways to spend their free
time.  The scenery in the photo looks dramatic and beautiful.
  To access the photo, which I captured, FTP to "ftp.netcom.com",
move to directory "pub/bc/bcarhart" and execute these two steps:
  "binary"
  "get sarajevo.gif".
Your browser must accept GIF files, but this is a common format.
Remember that the photo came from a major newspaper and that many
have seen it.  Many have read and will read more about this war.

**MediaFilter Note: a  link has been added to the above reference to the 
photo of two young boys in Sarajevo, so you can view it directly in Netscape.**



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Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 23:46:49 -0500
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From: an55238@anon.penet.fi
Subject: Serbian actions against UN 26.05.95
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From:

I want all to know the immense public reaction in North America against
the Serbs as a result of their "human shield" strategy involving the
kidnapping of U.N. observers.  The video images of the chained and hand-
cuffed observers received wide air play in North America.  The immense
miscalculation of the Serbs is reminiscent of Saddam Hussein's "cheery"
interview with a young British schoolboy/hostage.  Whatever was hoped to
be gained was lost in the banner headlines in the next day's papers
screaming "BASTARD!"  The current feeling among all I have polled to this
latest, sorry attempt at media/political manipulation is that a good Serb
is a dead, or at best bombed, Serb.  Screw the rhetoric, that's the
feeling on the street.  I only wish I had a direct line to the Serbs to
convey the enormity of their blunder but I hope the message can somehow
get through.


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Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 05:32:46 -0500
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From: basz@xs4all.nl
Subject: short question
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From: Bas

Can anyone tell me about the current situation in Konjic ?Thanks. take care


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From: michael kearns

Hello,

We are a 24-hour television news service broadcast from Toronto, Canada.

We're interested in hearing from Sarajevo residents. We see the terrifying
pictures everyday, but we know they do not tell the complete story. Tell us
about your lives, your ideas on the prospects for peace in the Balkans. E-mail
us your e-mail address, as well as your normal address and phone number.

We look forward to hearing from you.


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From: Damir Isovic

I received a message from my cousin Muharem Selimovic last week (Tuesday 23.05)
and I sent back my answer the same day requireing from Darko Satancic to
confirm it as soon as possible. As I haven't recived his message yet
I wonder if it's possible to send e-mail to Sarajevo.If there is anybody
who knows anything about my message ( subject: Pismo iz Svedske ), please
contact me.




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Subject: Sarajevo online

If you need to contact anyone in Brighton UK or surrounding area, I would be glad to offer ant assistance i can via my E-Mail address.
Please also let me know if there is anything else we can do to help.

Best Wishes for peace.

Steve Griffiths




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Subject: Hope and Peace
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From: Doug Boemker

I am yet so far away from the war torn state of Bosnia but I do feal
greatcompasion for the people and the children who have suffered greatly
in the many years of war.I land out my heart and sorrow for all that have
gone through the constant strugles ofeveryday life in the former
Yugoslavia. I can only ofer the hope of peace to come agood will to the
peopleof Sarajevo