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From notes@igc.org Tue Aug 27 05:18:14 1996 Received: from igc7.igc.org (192.82.108.35) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 05:18:14 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc7.igc.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA11126; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 02:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: 27 Aug 1996 01:16:21 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"From: evel@xs4all.nl Subject: siebelt in croatie To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <199608270812.EAA12249@panix2.panix.com> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 206 Peter Siebelt in Croatie. Dit interview met Peter Siebelt (met foto) verscheen op 17 mei in Vjesnik, een Croatische krant, voorheen soort regeringskrant. Siebelt meldde zichzelf bij de krant met de mededeling dat hij zich wilde laten interviewen. Soort gratis reclame voor zijn activiteiten? De grote vraag is natuurlijk wat Siebelt in Croatie doet, wie hij daar kent, wat hij denkt daar te gaan doen. Heeft hij dingen te bieden die de Croaten zelf niet net zo goed of beter kunnen? Is er toch een huurlingenconnectie? Het is voor zover wij weten de eerste keer dat Siebelt weer naar buiten treedt sinds de oudpapier-affaire. Hij schrijft de laatste tijd ook regelmatig ingezonden brieven naar de Telegraaf met grofweg als thema de subsidiering van het linkse complot. Heeft iemand ideeen over verder onderzoek? (volledige tekst is digitaal in het Croatisch beschikbaar, evenals een samenvatting van de rol van Siebelt en Marcel in de oud papier affaire in het Engels) (ongecorrigeerde snelle vertaling door iemand van Press Now) Peter Siebelt (50), has no known occupation. In his office in his house near a lake south of Amsterdam surrounded by high walls with sharp points en watchdogs to keep uninvited guests away, Siebelt keeps the most advanced computersystems. He makes phonecalls all around the world, but nobody calls him. He hands out his number to a very select part of his clients, and asks them to use it only in the most urgent situation. Such a life might be a logical consequence of his previous activities. He used to have a private securitycompany to protect big companies and rich people in one of het most dangerous parts of Amsterdam, de Bijlmermeer. He protected rich people, their property against organized crime, mafiosi, kidnappers and terrorists. Many of them are behind bars, but many more are still free, and looking for revenge. Vj: You came to the paper and offered an interview. Why? PS: I have been in Croatie many times, I have a deep respect for the struggle for independence of your country, and the suffering during the war. I am thinking about importing your very good wines and I plan to build ships and yachts for Croatia. But on this occasion I would like to worn your public about rather destructive activities of some NGOs - something I know a lot about, if not too much. Vj - Why would someone who had a security company be concerned with NGOs? PS - Just because of my experience - I came to the conclusion that some NGOs are conected with different terrorist organizations. I am a war child, my father was an American officer who libereted Europe including the Netherlands... In the mid sixties there was a huge wave of anti-American demonstrations all around Europe. Americans were blamed for just about everything - Vietnam, Korea, imperialism in Africa, nuclear bombs & power stations. I asked myself: why would all this people demonstrate against the country which liberated them? Also, I noticed that the leaders of these protests were always the same people. Much later I will find them again on prominent posts in different NGOs... What would it mean to you if I tell you that it is always the same persons from Croatia who are active in 'sisterly' organizations such as Balkan War Report, Aspen Institute, Helsinki Assambly, Antiwar Campain, Press Now, Pax Christi? And also, they use every oportunity to attack your government. Vj - It would mean a lot if you could show us some proofs and give us good arguments in support to your claims. PS - I won't mention any names because it would result in their orcestrated attack on you... but I will give you one example. One woman, a journalist for Antiwar Campain published an article in one 'anti-war' paper claiming that forced evictions are the biggest problem in Croatia and that the whole Europe is against it. But Europe would know nothing about evictions if it was not for these NGOs who made an issue of it. Later this same woman will advise the evicted to seak a legal help which will be given to them free of charge by her and her colleagues. But, an international community will pay for this 'free' legal help and so the lady in question and her colleagues will earn their fee. And as a reward they will be invited to participate at different symposiums across Europe where they will exchange their experiences with their 'colleagues' from Nicaragua, Salvador and Burma! (skip: vague story about lost video cassete with Croatian war criminal from Srebrenica...always talking about Yugoslavia, never Croatia except in a negative context...99% of activists is against Tudjman and the government...they never protested against USSR...) Croatia is a new country, a new market - which is exactely what these people need. They must find new 'subjects' in order to attract an attention and colect money. People give once or twice for Nicaragua or Chile and than they stop giving. NGOs must look for new places and must attract media. For example, I asked Pax Christi directly how much of the money collected during a 'Blankets for Bosnia' campaigne actualy made its way to Bosnia? I'll tell you that it was not more than 10%. The rest was used to finance for their own political campaigne. Vj - Croatian public knowes very little about this organization. Could you shed some light? PS - Pax Christi is an old Chatolic organization, but in mid- sixties it was infiltrated by people who have little to do with fate. Church in Europe is used to propagate these 'greenies' and 'humanrighties'. They found it very handy because the state institutions have no right to interfere with the Church which gives a lot of space to NGOs. And who is the boss, the real boss? Mister Jan Ter Laak, a Dutchman, a big friend of Jasser Arafat, ANC and National Democratic Front of Filipines! Why does he needs to have a contact with organizations which were involved in terrorism? So that he can arbitrate, colect donations and be politicaly active. Vj - Is Pax Christi active in Croatia? PS - Certanly! There is one co-worker of this organisation in every NGO that I mentioned! I will name the Dutchmen, and you can check out the Croats. For example, a so-called 'coordinator of peace ambassies for ex-Yu' - Mient Jan Faber - was a board member of Pax Christi, and now he comes to make peace on Balkan. What they do under the cover of educating the Bosnians for democracy is - recruiting future activists! (skip: vague story about our poor boys in Sebrenica, it's all the fault of Dutch minister of Devellopment, Jan Pronk who had the guts to visit them in uniform.) Vj - You are a sharp talker. Aren't you a little paranoid when you see the tentacles of NGOs all around you? PS - Let's be logical. Many of these activists are honest people. But, 'a concern for the enviroment' turns in no time into 'a fight for free media' and that's not a subject which can be disscussed at the level of pettitons and demonstrations. In Holland a petition was signed against media missuse and a new law on media, before the law was even discussed in the Croatian parliament. These people who are pulling the strings picture the situation worst than it is in order to make themselves look importand and to gain attention. It is the nature of these NGOs to work on a principle 'one for all - all for one'. So, the greens are quick to join forces with anti-war organizations and different 'human rights fighters'. Vj - But, why are they doing all this if your hypothesis is correct? PS - The reason is - money and power - the driving force behind every politics. You can see that the greens, the Labour, the Socialists and similar parties have the majority in the European Parliament. They are the political representatives of these NGOs. There are clear political goals behind the 'struggle for human rights'. They will ask for the same criteria for 'agressors' and 'victims' in ex-Yu, but not so if they talk about 'liberation movements'. (skip:...examples of terrorist activities of ANC and others about of which NGOs don't want to talk...NGO's decide what's good and what's bad. If you critize them, they will attack you in their paper, or worse things can happen.) Vj - Why are you telling all this to the Croatian public? PS - Because Croatia is at the top of their priorities at the moment. They don't like the state which refuses to play their game. They treat Croatia as an African country while every normal person can see that Croatia is an European country. They claim to favour equality, but they want to control all media and intellectuals, and try to provoke your gouvernment to make an unthoughtfull move. Unfortunally your gouvernment does this from time to time, and that is just what they want. They blow incidents up to enourmous proportions. Just see how they turn president Tudjman into fascist over night, and he was fighting in an anti-fascist movement during the WW2! They want to push the government into a defensive position, to force it to make some stupid move. And, unfortunately, it works sometimes. My advise to the Croatian government is to be more offensive, to move the NGOs into defensive. I repeate - there are many honest people active in NGOs, but we must be aware of those who are pulling the strings from behind the scene. The inteligence comunities in the West know how many KGB agents were active within NGOs! All of us who watch their activities closely know why are our churches deserted - people are fed up with a church being used as a platform for political tirades about Rwanda, Nicaragua, Salvador. People go to church for something else but the NGOs see it as a place for political manipulations. (skip:...third world shops are used to make people sign all kind of petitions...) Vj - You're giving an interview, your photo will be in the papers - aren't you afraid of these 'power-people-in-the-shadows' as you call them? PS - They are following me for a long time, and they tried to shut me up. They even accused me of stealing the waste paper from their offices! (skip: NGO's produce so much waste paper, but Dutch minister of environment started campaign against sending xmas cards...) Vj - What to say at the end except that you are very sharp? PS - That I am right! I don't call these activists 'activists' but 'antivists'! They are always 'anti', against, but their bosses know very well how to fight for - themselves. -- End --