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From notes@igc.org Thu Aug 1 11:13:51 1996 Received: from igc7.igc.org (192.82.108.35) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:13:52 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc7.igc.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA27893; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 07:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: 01 Aug 1996 03:22:53 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"From: PeaceNet Balkans Desk Subject: Re: Missing Persons Project (English) To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <9f04bb7a&199608010912.CAA25860@igc.apc.org> In-Reply-To: <199608010912.CAA25860@igc3.igc.apc.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 104 From: "Ed Agro" MISSING-PERSONS ACTIVITIES ON AND OFF THE NETS The use of electronic networks by volunteer activists to supplement the work of professionals engaged in searching for people lost or displaced in the recent Balkan wars is an attractive idea. However, it has been unexpectedly difficult to set up such a project. However, final arrangements have been completed, and I am now able to make missing-person (MP) records available on ZaMirNet (ZTN). This posting outlines the general state of missing-persons work, and of my own project. 1. ICRC ACTIVITY: As I mentioned at the end of June, the ICRC has constructed a large MP database for former Yugoslavia, and is distributing printed lists drawn from this database. When these lists become generally available, it will not be necessary to do online MP work. However, at present different ICRC offices handle the lists differently, and correspondents have reported during the past month that the lists are not yet available everywhere. 2. ICRC AND PFS WEB SITES: The first attempt to make ICRC MP lists available online was Veseljko Simonovic's BBC World Service site in London (see the Notes for URLs). In addition to this, the ICRC now has its own site (Geneva), at which the entire ICRC database may be searched. Dubravko Kakarigi's PFS (People Finder Service) site (Florida) is a place where individuals can themselves upload information about their missing relatives, (The ICRC/BBC sites can only be written to by ICRC/BBC staff, working from requests supplied to ICRC Tracing-Office workers. As might be expected, the records in the "self-service" PFS site are not as orderly as those at the ICRC/BBC sites.) It is too early to tell whether these web sites actually help in the finding of people, and whether making it possible for the public to write to a database is a useful supplement to the moderated sites. 3. MAKING MP RECORDS AVAILABLE ON ZTN VIA SPE-PISMA-L: The problem with the web sites is that people within the Balkans cannot use them, because the web is not generally available there. I also have messages from people elsewhere in the world who have good email facilities, but are not able to access the web. So I have developed routines to convert the web-site records to a form useable on mailing lists. I will post these converted records to the mailing list SPE-PISMA-L. In turn, the records from that list will be copied on the new ZTN Slavonia conference /zamir/reg/slavonia/info by Manfred Schmid of the "Teiler Slavonia Assistance Programme." In this way online peace activists in former Yugoslavia will be able to see and make use of the MP records. I also hope that people in the .YU domain who are interested in reconciliation and reconstruction will also subscribe to SPE- PISMA-L and participate in this project. Naturally, the mailing list is open to those who wish to locate their own relatives, as well as to those who are engaged in general MP work. Subscribers will be able to post requests to SPE-PISMA-L. At present the list is moderated, and I will review all posts as a way to keep some control over the format of the records. (Also, by way of the previously announced "ascii-input forms", it is still possible for people without direct web access to post requests to PFS.) All the Balkans-specific records on PFS will eventually be on SPE-PISMA-L, and requests coming into the mailing list will be uploaded to the web site as appropriate. Volunteers cannot be expected to have the resources, financial and otherwise, of the large NGOs (NonGovernmental Organizations), and SPE-PISMA-L and the Slavonia conference should be viewed as experimental supplements to the programs of ICRC, IRC, and other NGOs. The ICRC database contains some 11,000 names, and at present I am not planning to copy any of these over to SPE-PISMA-L. If, after I complete the uploads of the BBC and PFS records (about 600 records altogether), it becomes clear that distributing MP records via email and ZTN is a useful project, I'll be glad to work with other peace activists and professional staff to improve and expand the service. -- Ed Agro (Boston) Notes - To subscribe to SPE-PISMA-L, send the message SUBSCRIBE SPE-PISMA-L to MAJORDOMO@IGC.APC.ORG An archive of the SPE-PISMA-L MP postings will be placed in the IGC Balkans gopher, gopher://gopher.igc.apc.org/11/peace/yugo PFS - http://www.applicom.com/people BBC MP pages - http://www.bbcnc.org.uk/worldservice/slavonic/begunci.html ICRC database - http://193.247.225.50/alfa ICRC list of Tracing Offices - http://www.icrc.ch/icrcnews/304a.htm ICRC home page, Geneva - http://www.icrc.ch/ _________________________________________________________________ Ed Agro - Peacenet Balkans Desk - pnbalkans@igc.apc.org From notes@igc.org Thu Aug 1 11:13:52 1996 Received: from igc7.igc.org (192.82.108.35) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:13:52 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc7.igc.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA27791; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: 01 Aug 1996 03:43:14 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: ismar_df@post1.tele.dk Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/friends To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <9f04bb7a&1373243059-2126880@medi> In-Reply-To: <1390252635-344875@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 23 Hi Ja sam Karstena! Hallo i4m from Denmark, and I really want to "talk" whith some peoble from bosnia, Sarajevo, or other places. If you want to "write" together with some bosnia peoble, living in Denmark, you are most welcome. ' Hvala Karsten From notes@igc.org Thu Aug 1 11:13:56 1996 Received: from igc7.igc.org (192.82.108.35) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.0); Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:13:56 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc7.igc.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA27973; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 07:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: 01 Aug 1996 03:22:59 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: PeaceNet Balkans Desk Subject: Re: Missing Persons Project (Jeziku) To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <9f04bb7a&199608010912.CAA25885@igc.apc.org> In-Reply-To: <199608010912.CAA25885@igc3.igc.apc.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 115 From: "Ed Agro" AKTIVNOSTI NA PROJEKTU TRAZZENJA NESTALIH OSOBA NA KOMUNIKACIONIM MREZZAMA I VAN NJIH Ideja da dobrovoljni aktivisti, koristecci elektronske mrezze, pomognu rad profesionalaca ukljuchenih u trazzenje osoba nestalih i izmjesstenih tokom zadnjih balkanskih ratova izgleda privlachno. Medjutim, mozze biti neochekivano tessko postaviti na noge jedan takav projekat. Poslije duzzeg vremena postignut je konachni dogovor i ja sam sada u moguccnosti da ponudim podatke o nestalim osobama na ZaMirNet mrezzi. Ova poruka daje kratki pregled opssteg stanja aktivnosti na projektu trazzenja nestalih osoba i, u okviru toga, situacije sa mojim projektom. 1. ICRC AKTIVNOSTI: Kao ssto sam pisao krajem juna, ICRC je formirao veliku bazu podataka o nestalim osobama sa podruchja bivsse Jugoslavije i vrssi distribuciju odsstampanih spiskova iz ove baze. Kada ovi spiskovi postanu dostupni svima prestacce potreba da se ovi podaci distribuiraju putem elektronskih medija. Medjutim, u ovom trenutku ICRC uredi nemaju jedinstven pristup korisstenju ovih spiskova. Prema podacima koje sam dobio od korespondenata, liste nisu joss uvijek dostupne na svim lokacijama. 2. ICRC i PFS WEB POZICIJE: Prvi pokussaj da se ICRC spiskovi nestalih osoba postave na elektronske medije bila je BBC World Service web pozicija koju je uredjivao Veseljko Simonovic u Londonu (pogledaj spisak URL-ova na kraju pisma). Pored toga, ICRC sada ima vlastitu poziciju u ZZenevi na kojoj se mozze pretrazzivati kompletna ICRC baza podataka. PFS (People Finder Service) pozicija, koju uredjuje Dubravko Kakarigi sa Floride, pruzza moguccnost korisnicama da sami unesu podatke o nestalim osobama. (Na ICRC/BBC pozicije podatke mogu unijeti samo radnici ICRC/BBC-a na osnovu zahtjeva podnesenog radniku ICRC-a, zvanichno zaduzzenom za prikupljanje podataka o izgubljenim osobama.) Za ochekivati je da podaci na "samousluzznim" pozicijama, kakav je PFS, nisu sistematizirani u istoj mjeri kao podaci na ICRC/BBS pozicijama. Joss uvijek je rano da bi se moglo recci da li cce podaci na ovim web pozicijama zaista pomocci u trazzenju nestalih osoba i da li je otvaranje moguccnosti da korisnici sami upisuju podatke u baze podataka koristan dodataka na pozicijama koje se nadgledaju i uredjuju. 3. POSTAVLJANJE ZAPISA O NESTALIM OSOBAMA NA ZTN PREKO SPA-PISMA-L: Problem sa web pozicijama je ssto potencijalni korisnici sa Balkana ne mogu da im pristupe, jer pristup web pozicijama nije mogucc sa svih dijelova Balkana. Takodjer, dobio sam poruke od ljudi iz raznih krajeva svijeta koji imaju moguccnost za razmjenu elektronske posste, ali ne i pristup web pozicijama. To je razlog da sam razvio rutine za prebacivanje podataka iz formata koji se koristi na web pozicijama u format koji se mozze koristiti u mailing listama. Prevedene rekorde ccu postaviti na mailing listu SPE-PISMA-L. Manfred Schmid iz "Teiler Slavonia Assistance Programme" cce zapise sa ove liste kopirati na novu ZTN Slavonia konferenciju /zamir/reb/slavonia/info. Tako cce mirovni aktivisti iz bivsse Jugoslavije biti u moguccnosti da pregledaju i koriste podatke o nestalim osobama. Takodjer se nadam da cce se ljudi iz .YU domena, zainteresovani za obnovu pokidanih veza, prijaviti za SPE-PISMA-L i dati svoj doprinos ovom projektu. Naravno, ova mailing lista je otvorena za sve koji trazze svoje nestale rodjake, kao i za sve koji rade na trazzenju nestalih osoba. Registrovani korisnici cce mocci da possalju zahtjev na SPE-PISMA-L. U ovom trenutku lista se nadgleda i ja ccu pregledati sve zahtjeve da bih kontrolirao format zapisa. (Naravno, svi koji nemaju moguccnost direktnog pristupa web pozicijama mogu poslati zahtjev u ASCII formatu i na PFS.) Svi zapisi sa PFS-a koji se odnose na Balkan bicce uskoro na SPE-PISMA-L, a zahtjevi koji dolaze na mailing listu bicce postavljeni na web poziciju. Od volontera se me mozze ochekivati da imaju na raspolaganju financijske i druge resurse na nivou NVO (nevladinih organizacija), tako da SPE-PISMA-L i Slavonia conference treba posmatrati kao eksperimentalnu podrssku programima ICRC, IRC i drugih NVO. ICRC baza podataka sadrzzi nekih 11000 zapisa i, u ovom trenutku, ja ne namjeravam da kopiram zapise iz ove liste na SPA-PISMA-L. Ako se, nakon distribucije BBC i PFS zapisa, pokazze da je distribuiranje zapisa o nestalim osobama preko email-a i ZTN-a koristan projekat, bicce mi zadovoljstvo da kroz zajednichki rad sa drugim mirovnim aktivistima i profesionalcima unaprijedim i prossirim usloge koje pruzza ovaj projekat.Ed Agro (Boston) Notes - To subscribe to SPE-PISMA-L, send the message SUBSCRIBE SPE-PISMA-L to MAJORDOMO@IGC.APC.ORG An archive of the SPE-PISMA-L MP postings will be placed in the IGC Balkans gopher, gopher://gopher.igc.apc.org/11/peace/yugo PFS - http://www.applicom.com/people BBC MP pages - http://www.bbcnc.org.uk/worldservice/slavonic/begunci.html ICRC database - http://193.247.225.50/alfa ICRC list of Tracing Offices - http://www.icrc.ch/icrcnews/304a.htm ICRC home page, Geneva - http://www.icrc.ch/ _________________________________________________________________ Ed Agro - Peacenet Balkans Desk - pnbalkans@igc.apc.org Preveo sa engleskog (na sarajevsku govornu varijantu) Zoran Cvijanovic, zzc@msn.com