|
|
From notes@igc.apc.org Wed Dec 20 03:10:24 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:10:25 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA21826; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:47:34 -0800 (PST) Date: 19 Dec 1995 22:37:56 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"From: milderjazz@fishnet.net Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/No oil in Bosnia. To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1392699344-1213983@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1405622066-446926@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 7 Jews of Sarajevo were holocostly removed during WWII. We doubt if there are any residents there now except the peacekeepers. No help came from the Croatians or Muslims of Bosnia;both groups offered support to Nazis. It is ironic that today, Israel offers refuge to the poor,abused, and murdered Muslims of Bosnia. From notes@igc.apc.org Wed Dec 20 03:10:54 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:10:55 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA21822; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:47:27 -0800 (PST) Date: 19 Dec 1995 22:21:07 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: milderjazz@fishnet.net Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/No oil in Bosnia. To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1392700270-1152502@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1405622066-446926@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 7 to Boe Padgett-Jews of Sarajevo left during WWII. Lucky ones joined the Serbs as Partisans to fight the Nazis. Others were sent to camps by Nazis and Croatians and the Muslims did not help Jews then. None were left in Sarajevo during WWII. It is ironic that recently Israel offered a home for Bosnian Muslims for refuge. From notes@igc.apc.org Wed Dec 20 03:14:52 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:14:52 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA25603; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:45:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:57:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: PeaceNet Balkans Desk Subject: Re: hello from Zagreb To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5zuB9RAZYZB@pz-vanic.zamir-zg.zt> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 40 From: PeaceNet Balkans Desk Hi Vanja - I didn't notice any mistake, I thought your msg was fine & helpful. Your description of what you do, > VN>I'm working as a facilitator of the ZAMIR network which connects human > My job is suppose to be a sort of "social-sysop", a person who takes > care about a social component of the Zamir-net, here from Zagreb. > There are many zamir conferences, many zamir usres, but no too many > In order to make people more activ on zamir, I'm suppose to read all > different apc of hrnet or..conferences and forward it (maybe just > sumarise it) to zamir conferences. There are also many other ways of > supporting people to start writing..... This is what we do here (int the US) too, & we're called "facilitators" ... But I don't want to add fuel to whatever fires there may be, just to say thanks for helping to keep the US & Croatia connected. > HERE ON THE END: I don't have much clue about the internet, www, and all > sorts of high-tech things that you all are so familiar with. > I did try to get acces on internet, but Eric and some other people told > me it is not so eazy yet, as Croatia doesn't have many internet > conections. I hear that very soon (maybe allready) Croatian post office > and IBM Zagreb are opening "comercial" lines for internet, and it will > be possible. Ah, no need to worry about the internet connections. Just post things here, or /yugo/antiwar, or wherever, & Ivo & I will carry them over as necessary. That's how we help you... > In meantime, we in Antiwar Campaign Croatia (in Zagreb) in whose office > Zamir-zg BBS is situated, we were talking about opening a Zamir-pub. > If any of you have some ideas, suggestions, financial or material > support to offer, it would be more than brilliant. Neat idea! Now if it could link with a similar cafe in Beograd... I engleski Vas je dobro! Hvala liepo! -- ed From notes@igc.apc.org Wed Dec 20 03:18:56 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:18:58 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA25609; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:45:47 -0800 (PST) Date: 19 Dec 1995 23:32:28 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: deja vu To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <199512200726.XAA11338@igc3.igc.apc.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 41 In about three weeks there will be six years since I left the Balkans. This time six years ago I wrote a sort of a programmatic, though a little pathetic letter to my friends that I left behind. It was kind of melodramatic way of saying bye bye suckers. I was still in the middle of the vibrant political life of our rapidly imploding former country, so methaphoric prophecies of (ugly) times to come, and philosophic doubts that nationalism would do us any good, are intertwined with at this point irrelevant and obsolete analysis of particular politucal structures and suggestions for their change (they are history now). It is interesting that I thought that communists would win the elections in Croatia in 1990, albeit on Tudjmanesque nationalist platform. Heh, they indeed won, but as HDZ. The rest I believed would be the same. I observed that all bridges between the peoples of Yugoslavia (economic, cultural and communications bridges) were burned, destroyed or heavily damaged already at that time, and I resoluted that soon the real bridges would be gone, too. Which came out true, didn't it? To this 117k document I added a 23k "amendement" just a week before I left (I left on January 16, 1990). That was to comment the last desperate attempt to save Yugoslav federation and steer it to a democratic change. On the New Years eve prime minister Ante Markovic announced the most thorough fiscal reform: currency was devaluated and tied to German Mark secured by Yugoslav foreign currency deposits in German banks. Suckers hoped that should have revived the economy. That should have at least pleased the West. Everybody expected the West would move in with loans and development money. Even I, though already developed in full-time cynic in my early twenties, speculated that that move might save the day, of course, IF it had been followed by feedback from the World Bank and IMF. But it hadn't. I just hope that would be remembered when an American soldier dies there: yes, now it is obviously necesarry, but it might have not been so. (if anybody is interested to read those letters - I have them only in Croatian, i.e. Serbo-Croatian or Bosnian or however you wanna call it now; plus they are marked for printing in that language - which means s,c,z,S,C,Z are represented with those wierd brackets). Ivo Skoric