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From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Mon Dec 11 16:29:49 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:29:51 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id MAA01013; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:51:00 -0800 (PST) Date: 11 Dec 1995 12:29:41 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"From: kc6twi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Peace to All To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1393426668-19865@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1405258356-421777@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 11 At this time of the year, my Family and I wish all of the People of your Country, a "Very Happy Holiday", and my wish is that you obtain a quick and lasting peace. May God Bless All Of You Al Baird in Southern California, USA From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Mon Dec 11 23:16:48 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:16:49 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id QAA22890; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:03:18 -0800 (PST) Date: 11 Dec 1995 14:59:08 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: kajosevi@newschool.edu Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Emir To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1393425571-86332@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 8 From: INDIRA KAJOSEVIC Subject: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Emir -Reply Hi, I wondered is Emir Hodzic that you are looking for a 16 year teenager from Tuzla. indira From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Mon Dec 11 23:24:36 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:24:37 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id MAA01161; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:51:38 -0800 (PST) Date: 11 Dec 1995 12:30:22 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: kc6twi@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Peace to All To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1393426612-23141@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1405258356-421777@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 11 At this time of the year, my Family and I wish all of the People of your Country, a "Very Happy Holiday", and my wish is that you obtain a quick and lasting peace. May God Bless All Of You Al Baird in Southern California, USA From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Mon Dec 11 23:24:42 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:24:43 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id MAA01176; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:51:46 -0800 (PST) Date: 11 Dec 1995 12:47:51 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: rcrowde2@pen.k12.va.us Subject: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Emir To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1393425571-86332@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 18 We are trying to locate a 16 year old named Emir Hodzic. He has an educational visa allowing him to attend school in the U.S. Our congressman helped get this for him. For him. The group working on this can't locateEmir. We were to be the host family family. This is a desparate attempt to find him. Just hate to qiut without every attempt made. Please help if you can. Have alittle more info. if this gets through. Crowder Family From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Tue Dec 12 00:32:50 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:32:52 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id UAA26793; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:47:39 -0800 (PST) Date: 11 Dec 1995 20:11:24 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: binottod@cadvision.com Subject: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Christmas greetings To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1393399254-1551473@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 23 Class 8C from Bishop Kidd wishes all the best greetings to all the people in Bosnia that they will be fed and healthy during the cold harsh winter. We also send our hopes that the terrible war will be ended shortly and that all of you can recover from the terrible memories of from the war. We all hope for peace!!! From:Chris,Michelle,Mrs.Ottenbreit Mr.Binotto and Wojtek. From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Tue Dec 12 16:57:30 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:57:32 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id NAA29927; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:11:37 -0800 (PST) Date: 11 Dec 1995 22:30:37 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: lanser@idirect.com Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/News from Stacy? To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1393390574-2070969@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1404497197-1880001@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 19 I do not understand the passions involved here but there must be another solution to war. The killing of people for political or geographic gains must never be accepted by any nation. We feel the pain anywhere in the world where people are dying for any reason. This may seem too idealistic but that is the way I feel. When "Hell" is in session, we all lose. Al Lansitie All my hopes. From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Tue Dec 12 16:57:46 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:57:51 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id NAA29909; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:11:02 -0800 (PST) Date: 12 Dec 1995 07:14:38 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: bwdarwin@ozemail.com.au Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/email request To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1393359133-3961988@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1405848547-258781@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 15 When its all over and the lines are open again email me. I live in Darwin, Australia & I don't understand the war. I am reading a little bit about your history but I'd like to talk to someone who has been through the mess. I'd like to hear the personal side from inside your country. I'm totally puzzled. Best wishes to you all ( no matter what religion) Bronwyn Wright 13/12/95 From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Tue Dec 12 17:01:15 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:01:18 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id NAA29939; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:11:45 -0800 (PST) Date: 12 Dec 1995 09:57:56 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/info To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <199512121757.JAA12299@igc3.igc.apc.org> In-Reply-To: <1401185246-984057@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 26 From: "Ivo Skoric" Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/info Be more specific on what you need, and somebody will I believ answer you. ivo Date: 10 Dec 1995 15:00:27 Reply-to: Conference "zamir.chat" From: DM7413@gnn.com Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/info To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l I'm a student at New Canaan High School, in New Canaan, Connecticut, U.S.A. I'm doing a paper for school and I need some information on the situation in Bosnia. I would also like to have a better idea of what is going on. I would like to become involved, so I can understand the events which are happening better. From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Tue Dec 12 17:05:35 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:05:37 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id NAA29958; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:11:57 -0800 (PST) Date: 12 Dec 1995 09:57:50 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: Was it Croatian or Serbian mortar? To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <199512121757.JAA12278@igc3.igc.apc.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 56 From: "Ivo Skoric" This one is really amusing. But it is quite possible. Americans when they commit themselves to action are able to do this. I don't think the U.S. in this case supports Bosnian Muslims because of Arab nations. It is just that happened that way and now since the U.S. committed troops to preserve "multi-ethnic" Bosnia - sought primarily by the Muslim faction, the U.S. is determined to keep the image of their, not always worthy, allies (Bosnian Muslims and Croats) clean in the press. Serbs, on the other hand, are bad guys anyway and they accepted the role. It is not even news if there is Serbian mortar crater found. There are so many of them. This, however, is a security leak, something that Americans always have, because it is difficult to promote the freedom of the speech and trying to keep secrets secret at the same time. Where did you get this information? ivo Date: 10 Dec 1995 14:15:39 Reply-to: Conference "zamir.chat" From: charlesh@reallink.com Subject: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Are the slavs the worst in atrocitie To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l I happen to be polish and my boss is Serbian, We both consider ourselves Slavic, albeit, from the general region in and about western Russia, Eastern Europe, I find it hard to beleive that ALL the atrocities commited have been done solely by the Serbs (a Slavic race) I read an article in a newspaper recently that states one of the U.N. Soldiers had examined a morter crater and determined it had come from a nearby Croation camp, yet the commander an american, ordered him to put down in his report that it had been fired by the Serbians instead, the following week this was used as an excuse for us (that is the United States, no pun intended), to bomb the Serbians. Are we siding with the muslim faction simply because we dont want to offend the arab nations that now supply over sixty percent of our oil ?. From notes@igc5.igc.apc.org Tue Dec 12 17:08:10 1995 Received: from igc5.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.36) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:08:12 -0500 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (cdp.igc.apc.org [192.82.108.1]) by igc5.igc.apc.org (8.7.3/8.7.1) id NAA29954; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:11:51 -0800 (PST) Date: 12 Dec 1995 09:58:08 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: Re: Anti-war activists oppose U.S. troops to the Balkans To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <199512121758.JAA12323@igc3.igc.apc.org> In-Reply-To: <32ADB9E39C5@sergievsky.cpmc.columbia.edu> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 76 From: "Ivo Skoric" Subject: Re: Anti-war activists oppose U.S. troops to the Balkans > From: "Gary Wilson" > Subject: Re: Anti-war activists oppose U.S. troops to the Balkans > > > Your original article maybe did not mention the name "Slobodan > > Milosevic", but it did say that Serbia Defends Socialism, and Serbia > > is an autocratic state ruled by Slobodan Milosevic, so your sentence > > implies Milosevic as a defender of socialism. > > There remains a difference between the state and the political > leaders of that state, as I'm sure you must know. This is true only in democratic regimes. In dictatorships, like in kingdoms earlier in human history, a personal cult of a leader is sometimes even more important then whole of the rest of the state apparatus. Remember Louis XIV? "The state, that's me." > Right now I'm told > Milosevic is carrying out a purge of the left in the Serbian > Socialist Party, those who oppose privatization and turning control > of the economy to the IMF and World Bank (not that the Western banks > don't already control much there). It looks like it's part of the > deal with Washington for the lifting of sanctions. > > The subhead you quote--"Serbia defends socialism"--was only a > subhead. The body of the article, I believe, was more precise in what > it said. There remains a socialist sector to the economy in Serbia-- > workers are still paid and get full benefits, even with the severe > sanctions imposed on Serbia. There's no reason to abandon what > remains of socialism just because there are so many other problems > with the Milosevic government. And his finance minister Avramovic was formerly a top-ranking officer of World Bank. > > > > > And I read your previous analysis on Yugoslavia (I responded to some > > of them, too). There were good points in them. Though they were always > > Serbian side biased. And what was more unsettling they were less > > If they seemed Serbian-sided, it's only because the Serbs have been > demonized in the U.S. media. And it's necessary to show that the > Serbian people are not the source of the problem. So, it is true that you were Serbian-sided ONLY BECAUSE of the position of American media on Serbs. Whatever somebody who is opposed by Americans do, he is right, isn't he? I apologize for my lack of knowledge of American left earlier in the century, but I would like to know when the Workers World was founded and how it would respond to American imperialist interventions against (national)-socialist Germany and Japan in the second world war? > > > targeting the Balkans problem than the American foreign policy. That > > makes WW similar to American Administrations: actiona are done not > > because of genuine external reason for which they were claimed to be > > done, but because of internal political reasons. Clinton will send > > troops in Bosnia not to save Bosnia but to make himslef look good > > before the next years elections, and Workers World will attack > [snip] > > Well, since we are based in the U.S. it seems to me most appropriate > that we focus on the policies of the administration in Washington. And, according to the Workers World, they always suck, don't they? > Good luck in 1996 elections. > > ivo > >