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From notes@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 21 15:37:24 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 15:37:24 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id KAA03781 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:48:37 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:46:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"From: zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Subject: Re: bounces To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 12 Hi Ivo, I don't understand what you mean, or what I should do, when you say my messages bounced to you. All the best, Bob Bennett Munich From notes@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 21 15:58:42 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 15:58:42 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id KAA03785 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:48:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Subject: Re: bounces To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 20 Hi Ivo, Many thanks for your note. In my case, I guess it was "imperfect earthling technnology," which actually I think is pretty amazing, but that's another story. Anyway, I haven't sent - and won't send - anything over 40K! All the best, Bob Bennett On Thu, 17 Aug 1995, Ivo Skoric wrote: > Sometimes messages bounce when they are too long, and sometimes for > whatever stupid reason this imperfect earthling's technology could > come up with. Anyway, if you have really long story try to send it > like two or three files (anything over 40K is long story). > > ivo From notes@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 21 16:02:29 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:02:30 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id LAA11270 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:46:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: No Subject Given To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 38 >From majordomo Mon Aug 21 07:16:36 1995 Received: (from majordomo) by igc3.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) id HAA21593; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:16:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:16:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199508211416.HAA21593@igc3.igc.apc.org> To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org From: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Subject: BOUNCE zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org: Invalid 'Approved:' header >From iskoric@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 21 07:16:33 1995 Received: from ind.eunet.hu (ind.eunet.hu [192.84.225.42]) by igc3.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id HAA21556 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:16:28 -0700 Received: from [192.84.226.92] (bruner.dial.eunet.hu) by ind.eunet.hu with SMTP id AA24199 (5.67a8/SZTAKI-4.01 for ); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:13:37 +0200 X-Sender: pop029@ind.eunet.hu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Approved: blauen-don Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:10:08 +0100 To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: bruner@ind.eunet.hu (Rick Bruner) Subject: Re: Mild-Mannered Men X-Charset: US X-Char-Esc: 0 On 8/18/95, Ivo Skoric wrote: >Wow, RJ, it seems you got some emotional friends too. Bosnians will >soon live in almost all Western countries, bringing with them their >dark stories of cruelty, persecution, inhumanity and their unspoken >anger about the World's reaction. We will have to live with this for >decades to come. The Western leaders are fools if they believe this >will not leave an impact on their preciously balanced societies. Well, it won't be the first time Western leaders were proved to be fools. Rick From notes@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 21 16:12:37 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:12:38 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id KAA03802 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:48:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: No Subject Given To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 73 >From majordomo Mon Aug 21 03:45:04 1995 Received: (from majordomo) by igc3.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) id DAA04166; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 03:45:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 03:45:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199508211045.DAA04166@igc3.igc.apc.org> To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org From: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Subject: BOUNCE zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org: Non-member submission from [Robert John Bennett ] >From iskoric@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 21 03:44:59 1995 Received: from eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by igc3.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id DAA04141 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 03:44:45 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA03570; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:05:01 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:01:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: Robert John Bennett Subject: Not Much to Ask For To: President Clinton cc: 100440.270@compuserve.com, 131!tim003@dialcom.tymnet.com, 5jensen_e@spcvxa.spc.edu, 71154.1605@compuserve.com, 74431.3674@compuserve.com, AmComSaBos@aol.com, Balkaninst@aol.com, BosNet@cu23.crl.aecl.ca, bosnews@doc.ic.ac.uk, Brentxxx@aol.com, daleh@efn.org, dc42@cornell.edu, fastx@sky-tv.com, GMKURZON@aol.com, haberman@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, IHT@eurokom.ie, mag@news.nbc.com, MVANDIVER@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU, nightly@news.nbc.com, Pressestelle@tu-muenchen.de, ucklasl@ucl.ac.uk, Vice.President@whitehouse.gov, wobidot@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear President Clinton: A Serb acquaintance called me up on Sunday and said excitedly, "Have you heard the news? CNN has just reported that three artillery shells have slammed into Gorazde!" I told him he must be very happy about that. Then I asked if anyone had been killed. "Only three Moslem children," he answered, "but that's not important. What IS important is that the UN and Nato have announced there will be NO military response! Isn't that terrific ?" I told him Serbs certainly must feel that way. "Isn't it amazing, though?" he went on excitedly. "The war's going OUR way again! Some people thought everything looked so bleak just a few weeks ago when Nato was threatening air strikes and promising to defend Gorazde forever." He paused to catch his breath. "I told the others there was nothing to worry about, and I was right." Yes, I said, he certainly had been. "I mean, look at what's happening," he rattled on. "The British announce the withdrawal of their UN forces from Gorazde, then we knock out three children with our shells, and THEN the world is informed there will be no military response, no retaliation! And you know what the best part of all this is?" I asked him what that might be. "Richard Holbrooke says NEGOTIATIONS will continue next week! What more could we ask for?" I told him there didn't seem to be much. Sincerely yours, Robert J. Bennett Munich From notes@igc.apc.org Mon Aug 21 16:24:41 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:24:42 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id LAA11247 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Mon, 21 Aug 1995 11:46:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Western Policy - What Goals? To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1403177358-4822368@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 68 I think that the Western policy changed throughout the Balkans war. It is true that in the beginning they quietly backed Milosevic in his intent to subdue the country of Yugoslavia to his militant Serb nationalist rule. But this changed. The U.S. today mostly backs Tudjman's Croatia. The West today wants Bosnia as a sort of buffer zone between Croatia and Serbia. The thing is that "powers" cannot yet agree on how big Bosnia they are really confortable with. And what was the motivation behind such a policy? Simple. Great powers, which are in their nature imperialist, always back bigger and stronger party in any given conflict: they like to bet on the winning horse. Since Serbs resolve faltered, they now back Croatia. The same how they first armed Shah's Iran, then when Khomeini took over and attacked Iraq, they got scared of too powerful Iran, so they armed Saddam's Iraq. Later however when Saddam attacked Kuwait, they crushed Bhagdad and armed Kuwait and Saudi Arabia - always contributing to the *increase* of instability in the region. Date: 20 Aug 1995 15:55:49 Reply-to: Conference "zamir.chat" From: g92l4807@giraffe.ru.ac.za Subject: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/Western Policy - What Goals? To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Orthodox Western critics of Western Policy towards Bosnia claim that the West has no policy and assuage their collective guilt with apologetic theories explaining this so-called paralysis. In fact, however, and this is clear to even a Southerner informed by Western media monopolies as I unfortunately am, there seems to have been a deliberate Western policy to conspire with and help Serbia (arms embargo, "peace plans" etc.) ensure that the Bosnian state is weak and unviable, if not destroyed. As a student of International Politics, I assure you that such malevolent intent is typical of Western foreign policy. Does anyone out there have any ideas about what the motivation for such a Balkans policy could be.