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From notes@igc.apc.org Thu Aug 17 17:35:58 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:36:06 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id KAA23902 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:50:16 -0700 Date: 17 Aug 1995 10:29:14 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"From: jbennett@eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Subject: bounces To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 12 Hi Ivo, I don't understand what you mean, or what I should do, when you say my messages bounced to you. All the best, Bob Bennett Munich From notes@igc.apc.org Thu Aug 17 17:39:37 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:39:38 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id MAA13818 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:49:55 -0700 Date: 17 Aug 1995 11:48:41 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: LasiewiczN@aol.com Subject: Ferocious Compassion To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <950817140623_56675581@mail04.mail.aol.com> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 64 A Thirty-Day Peace Appeal was launched on Friday, Aug 11. Each day at the same time, concerned people from virtually all faiths have begun a daily 2-minute vigil, prayer, or quite time to send their personal spiritual energies for healing and peace to come to the Balkans. In L.A., 12 noon. In NY, 3pm. In Sarajevo, 9pm. The action is daily, through September 11. During my daily prayer, my thoughts are with People. People who are suffering. People who are being betrayed by their "leaders". People to whom the violence of hatred, bigotry, revenge have consumed their rational minds, closed their hearts to the healing power of creative, loving forces. People who are hurting People. People who are being hunted and are in great fear. By sending our thoughts and prayers every day, at the same time, a WORLD WAR OF FEROCIOUS COMPASSION has been launched. While I am not myself an ardent churchgoer of any one faith, I do recognize an essence of truth in all religions. I would like to share the opening invocation that was given at the Los Angeles Interfaith Prayer and Candle Lighting Service on August 11, 1995 which launched this action for those of us in the L.A. area. "Infinite Spirit, bring peace and good will to all peoples. Direct the pathway of every nation into unity, happiness and prosperity. Remove the thought of fear and greed from the mind of man. Let every thought of hate be turned to love, every thought of fear be turned to faith, every thought of doubt be turned to certainty, every thought of war be turned to peace. Heal the wounds of the world and bring peace upon the face of the earth." --- led by Dr. William Hornaday, Minister Emeritus, Founder's Church of Religious Science We are witnessing so much brutality against People right now, it is mind-numbing. Mass executions in Srebrinica. Croats stoning the Krajina Serbs. Serbia transporting refugees to new regions for more war. Serbs expulling Croats and Muslims from their homes at gunpoint in Banja Luka. Gansters and husslers of all nationalities taking over Bihac region with bounty from looting. Muslims burning Serb homes in revenge. Refugees, some who have been living with no hope, almost no help for over three years are still suffering. Children who's faces are those of old men in young bodies. Adolescents who are becoming deliquent after years of war and ciminality. Families broken. Old people who had faced the horrors of WWI and WWII as children, are now ending their lives with tradegy, trauma, loss, fear, hatred, confusion. Imagine the broken spirit of these people as the see the new generation being brought up by fanatical hate and bigotry. I ask you today, what is the difference between Croat racism, Serb racism, Christian racism, Muslim racism, White racism, Hutu racism and all the others? Can you actually say one is more justified than the other? Many persons from former Yugoslavia are behaving as eternal, sworn enemies, each accusing the other of crimes against humanity and making revenge more important than justice, hatred more prominent than finding reason and common ground. Today, I am saying that there is enough suffering, trechery, trama and pain for Everyone! Please join the world peace appeal and read the prayer above again, in the silence of your heart. Let us, the "friends" of the People of the Balkans, join together. You can help provide the psychic healing that is necessary for any lasting peace to EVER come. I hope that you will all join in this 30-day Peace Appeal every day together, asking God (whoever she might be) to help us find the light and wisdom we need to live together on this planet. Nalini Lasiewicz From notes@igc.apc.org Thu Aug 17 17:53:49 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:53:50 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id KAA23908 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:50:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: No Subject Given To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 89 >From majordomo Thu Aug 17 00:56:35 1995 Received: (from majordomo) by igc3.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) id AAA24433; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:56:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:56:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199508170756.AAA24433@igc3.igc.apc.org> To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org From: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Subject: BOUNCE zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org: Non-member submission from [Robert John Bennett ] Status: U >From iskoric@igc.apc.org Thu Aug 17 00:56:31 1995 Received: from eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (eikon.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.42.3]) by igc3.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.6 ) with SMTP id AAA24424 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:56:26 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA03763; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:55:04 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 09:51:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Robert John Bennett Subject: Land for Peace? To: President Clinton cc: 100440.270@compuserve.com, 131!tim003@dialcom.tymnet.com, 5jensen_e@spcvxa.spc.edu, 71154.1605@compuserve.com, 74431.3674@compuserve.com, AmComSaBos@aol.com, Balkaninst@aol.com, BosNet@cu23.crl.aecl.ca, bosnews@doc.ic.ac.uk, daleh@efn.org, dc42@cornell.edu, fastx@sky-tv.com, GMKURZON@aol.com, haberman@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, IHT@eurokom.ie, mag@news.nbc.com, MVANDIVER@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU, nightly@news.nbc.com, Pressestelle@tu-muenchen.de, realitycheck@cbsnews.com, ucklasl@ucl.ac.uk, Vice.President@whitehouse.gov, wobidot@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear President Clinton: "An intifada in Europe, ultimately," said Yitzhak, an Israeli friend of mine. I had asked him what he thought the latest American plan for Bosnia would lead to, if it's true that the plan is supposed to involve a swap of "land for peace." I told him I thought it was ridiculous that there could be an "intifada" in Europe. I reminded him that the Israelis had exchanged land for peace when they signed an accord with Egypt. And the peace had held for over twenty years. "Sure," Yitzhak said, "but we were exchanging Egyptian land for peace, their territory in the Sinai that we were occupying." I asked him what the difference was in Bosnia. He looked at me as if I were simpleminded. "The difference is," he answered, speaking slowly and clearly, "that you Americans are said to want the Bosnian government to give up THEIR OWN land in exchange for peace. The last time that sort of swap was tried was in Czechoslovakia in 1938." He took a drink of coffee and leaned toward me. "That particular exchange didn't bring much peace, as I recall." His friend Miriam, who had just joined us, said, "The Americans can call it 'land for peace,' if they want, but it's really just appeasement. Let's say the Bosnian government agrees to hand over territory to this Republika Srpska, or whatever they call it. How long do you think it will be before there's an 'Anschluss' between Serbia proper and this 'Republic?'" "Miriam's right," said Yitzhak, "and you know as well as I do, you can't appease an aggressor by giving him what he wants. It only makes him hungrier." So, I asked them, what's the answer? "At this point," said Miriam, "first of all, the answer is not to allow borders in Europe to be changed by force. Secondly, the answer is to set up some kind of federal system, like Switzerland has, within Bosnia, and within Croatia and Yugoslavia too, if necessary. Thirdly, the UN or some other organization has to be responsible for a kind of massive reeducation program, similar in scope to what was done in Germany after World War Two, a program that will reinforce the innate ability of the Balkan peoples to live together without fighting." I asked them what they thought would happen if it's not possible to do that. "If that's not possible," said Yitzhak, "the alternative is too awful to even think about." Sincerely yours, Robert J. Bennett Munich From notes@igc.apc.org Thu Aug 17 17:55:57 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 17:55:58 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id KAA23889 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:50:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 1995 10:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: Ivo Skoric Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/sympathy To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1404497142-1883659@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 17 From: "Ivo Skoric" Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/sympathy Punishing all sides involved in the conflict at this point seems unfair to majority of folks. Those sides who mostly suffered losses in past 5 years of war are probably already punished enough for their sins whatever those might have been. World was equally reluctant to punish the main perpetrators of present warfare in the Balkans: Serbs. Enforcing International Law which would ban warfare requires a large commitment of well equipped U.N. ground forces - which none of U.N. members was willing to supply to the Balkans. Inetrnational community would more rather watch Croats killing Serbs now after 4 years of Serbs killing Croats, than to watch killing of their own offspring. There are things you can't ban by decree. War is one of them. ivo