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From notes@igc.apc.org Sun Aug 13 19:34:39 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 19:34:39 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id PAA21594 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 15:46:08 -0700 Date: 13 Aug 1995 15:44:05 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat"From: din23@tribeca.ios.com Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/message to friend To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1403782850-1105851@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1404834053-2496400@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org mEErrors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 84 As an American I can't say that I understand what is going on over in your country because I can't really believe one lick of newsmedia in this country. From what I have heard though it sounds like the same old that has been plagueing humankind for eons, ethnic wars,village battles, clan wars, etc. After reading some of the posts in this forum I thought I would contribute a message, my $00.02. I read a post about the strife and it's relationship to Christianity and how the pagans during pre-christian times exerted the same behavior as you are experiencing now. How Christianity made peace between waring pagan clans. Speaking as a neo-pagan myself I must say that this is not exactly the way it was. Sure there was wars between pagan clans but the writer would have you believe that Christianity came along and brought together these groups and made peace. Christianity excluded anyone who was not Christian from the community and basically made life for non-Christians very difficult at best and down right deadly at worst as in the days of the Inquisition. I don't want to go on about this but I just want to point out that strong religious beliefs like this lead to the kinds of wars and such you are facing now. Paganism is polytheism which is a belief in many gods so a pagan can't say to another, "You must convert to believing in my god or die." Pagans even leave open the option to not believe in any god. It may sound simple but large wars are fought over these things. I hope you can all find peace and rise to a higher level of being and understanding so to allow each other the room to live and grow as individuals. Think of it this way. The earth seems like a very big place to us; but when you put the earth on a scale next to the rest of the universe; we are just a teeny, tiny, spec of dust floating around in a universe so unimaginably large that we wouldn't even register on that scale. And the earth seems so big to us because we are so tiny in comparison. We are very close to nothing! Now imagine how, if there was a god, how in a universe so big, he would somehow be so interested in us. Why would a god in a universe so large spend all of his/her time keeping close watch on a little spec of dust far in the corner of one galaxy of billions. I don't know how else to put it. I hope you can all put down your diffrerences and realize that there is plenty of room in the universe for any kind of beliefs and lifestyle. With that I wish you all peace. din23@tribeca.ios.com From notes@igc.apc.org Sun Aug 13 19:50:41 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 19:50:41 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id PAA21586 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 15:46:05 -0700 Date: 13 Aug 1995 15:39:17 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: din23@tribeca.ios.com Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/message to friend To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1403783147-1088058@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1404834053-2496400@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org mEErrors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 84 As an American I can't say that I understand what is going on over in your country because I can't really believe one lick of newsmedia in this country. From what I have heard though it sounds like the same old that has been plagueing humankind for eons, ethnic wars,village battles, clan wars, etc. After reading some of the posts in this forum I thought I would contribute a message, my $00.02. I read a post about the strife and it's relationship to Christianity and how the pagans during pre-christian times exerted the same behavior as you are experiencing now. How Christianity made peace between waring pagan clans. Speaking as a neo-pagan myself I must say that this is not exactly the way it was. Sure there was wars between pagan clans but the writer would have you believe that Christianity came along and brought together these groups and made peace. Christianity excluded anyone who was not Christian from the community and basically made life for non-Christians very difficult at best and down right deadly at worst as in the days of the Inquisition. I don't want to go on about this but I just want to point out that strong religious beliefs like this lead to the kinds of wars and such you are facing now. Paganism is polytheism which is a belief in many gods so a pagan can't say to another, "You must convert to believing in my god or die." Pagans even leave open the option to not believe in any god. It may sound simple but large wars are fought over these things. I hope you can all find peace and rise to a higher level of being and understanding so to allow each other the room to live and grow as individuals. Think of it this way. The earth seems like a very big place to us; but when you put the earth on a scale next to the rest of the universe; we are just a teeny, tiny, spec of dust floating around in a universe so unimaginably large that we wouldn't even register on that scale. And the earth seems so big to us because we are so tiny in comparison. We are very close to nothing! Now imagine how, if there was a god, how in a universe so big, he would somehow be so interested in us. Why would a god in a universe so large spend all of his/her time keeping close watch on a little spec of dust far in the corner of one galaxy of billions. I don't know how else to put it. I hope you can all put down your diffrerences and realize that there is plenty of room in the universe for any kind of beliefs and lifestyle. With that I wish you all peace. din23@tribeca.ios.com From notes@igc.apc.org Sun Aug 13 19:58:43 1995 Received: from cdp.igc.apc.org (192.82.108.1) by MediaFilter.org with SMTP (MailShare 1.0b10); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 19:58:44 -0500 Received: (from notes) by cdp.igc.apc.org (8.6.12/Revision: 1.203 ) id PAA21595 for "conf-zamir.chat"; Sun, 13 Aug 1995 15:46:10 -0700 Date: 13 Aug 1995 15:44:40 Reply-To: Conference "zamir.chat" From: din23@tribeca.ios.com Subject: Re: http://mediafilter.org/SJ/Pages/message to friend To: Recipients of zamir-chat-l Message-ID: <1403782825-1107531@mediafilter.org> In-Reply-To: <1404834053-2496400@mediafilter.org> X-Gateway: conf2mail@igc.apc.org Errors-To: owner-zamir-chat-l@igc.apc.org Precedence: bulk Lines: 84 As an American I can't say that I understand what is going on over in your country because I can't really believe one lick of newsmedia in this country. From what I have heard though it sounds like the same old that has been plagueing humankind for eons, ethnic wars,village battles, clan wars, etc. After reading some of the posts in this forum I thought I would contribute a message, my $00.02. I read a post about the strife and it's relationship to Christianity and how the pagans during pre-christian times exerted the same behavior as you are experiencing now. How Christianity made peace between waring pagan clans. Speaking as a neo-pagan myself I must say that this is not exactly the way it was. Sure there was wars between pagan clans but the writer would have you believe that Christianity came along and brought together these groups and made peace. Christianity excluded anyone who was not Christian from the community and basically made life for non-Christians very difficult at best and down right deadly at worst as in the days of the Inquisition. I don't want to go on about this but I just want to point out that strong religious beliefs like this lead to the kinds of wars and such you are facing now. Paganism is polytheism which is a belief in many gods so a pagan can't say to another, "You must convert to believing in my god or die." Pagans even leave open the option to not believe in any god. It may sound simple but large wars are fought over these things. I hope you can all find peace and rise to a higher level of being and understanding so to allow each other the room to live and grow as individuals. Think of it this way. The earth seems like a very big place to us; but when you put the earth on a scale next to the rest of the universe; we are just a teeny, tiny, spec of dust floating around in a universe so unimaginably large that we wouldn't even register on that scale. And the earth seems so big to us because we are so tiny in comparison. We are very close to nothing! Now imagine how, if there was a god, how in a universe so big, he would somehow be so interested in us. Why would a god in a universe so large spend all of his/her time keeping close watch on a little spec of dust far in the corner of one galaxy of billions. I don't know how else to put it. I hope you can all put down your diffrerences and realize that there is plenty of room in the universe for any kind of beliefs and lifestyle. With that I wish you all peace. din23@tribeca.ios.com